Attendance: Ron Rosen, Walt Daniels, Jane Geisler, Jim
Haggett, Fred Gerty, Frank Dogil, Gerry Richardson, Mike Arthur (8).
The meeting was brought to order by Chair Ron Rosen at
7:04PM.
0. The following "For Your Action" (FYA)
items were circulated: ATC Draft Policies on (1) Ridgeline and
Mountaintop Development and (2) Advertising in the AT Corridor (add
any comments on the copy itself, and indicate your initials by them);
NYNJTC list of Maintainer Vacancies (note any corrections on the
form); also see attached copies of Paint Standards and the
Instructions and Processing for the Appointment/Vacancy form; Request
from Dan Chazin for Data Book Updates; Request for Project from Diana
Dikovsky’s High School Group (September or October).
The following "For Your Information" (FYI)
items were circulated: ATC Regional Meeting notice (Sat., Oct 20, 2001
in Boiling Springs, PA); NYNJTC 8/2001 Leadership Mailing List;
Millbrook Garden Club Conservation Cmte. Program 9/23/01—panel on
Alternate & Renewable Energy Sources; Text for AT entry in
Telephone Book information and public service pages; Fall 2001 DCC
courses on Pesticide Applicator’s certification; Scenic Hudson Great
River Sweep appreciation certificates; Nuclear Lake Loop listing on
NYNJTC web site; Article on Gerry Richardson’s Workcamp Project;
YRDC’s PLC Contract; YRDC’s Summer Newsletter; and the Final Draft
of the DOT plan for rebuilding the AT at Miller Hill Road (see also
Item 3B below).
1. The minutes of the 163rd and 164th
meetings, June 4 and July 9, 2001, were approved as published. Fred
Gerty pointed out that the announcement for this meeting incorrectly
listed the date of the next meeting. The dates are correct in the June
4 meeting minutes.
2. Meeting Centerpieces:
(1) Brief Summary of ATC Biennial Meeting. Jane
Geisler, Walt Daniels, and Ron Rosen reported briefly on the ATC
biennial meeting at Shippensburg, PA. The three of them, plus Salley
Decker, attended the meeting. Walt reported that, at the Monday
plenary session, the membership voted to have ATC join the Hikers’
Clean Air Coalition. The discussion concerning the first AT through
hike turned out to be relatively mild.
(2) Getting our Trail Assessment & Management Plan
Update Project finished: Ron noted that the completion of the plan has
stalled. At the Shippensburg meeting, Walt Daniels and Karen Lutz
determined that each was waiting for the other to provide
documentation of their work to date. Walt noted that it would be ideal
to move the Assessment data to a Georgraphic Information System (GIS),
and that he has been becoming more familiar with GIS software in
recent months. However, we determined that we should not plan to move
all existing data to such a program in the immediate future. To get
things moving, we scheduled a work session for Tuesday, September 25,
at 7:00 pm at Walt’s house to move the assessment forward. A number
of people planned to attend, including Ron, Fred, Frank, Jim, and
perhaps Jane. Our immediate goal is to organize the "pile"
of paperwork Walt has accumulated and to see if we can develop a
unified Assessment database. Some of the existing data is in PC File,
other parts are in Paradox.
3. Other business, short updates, etc.:
A. Acquisitions and Survey, (incl. Schaghticoke access
parcels): We have been contacted by NPS to express our opinion on
acquiring a major remainder to the O’Laughlin parcel, which includes
a significant part of the old AT route. The owner has asked if the NPS
is interested in a fee acquisition of this parcel, consisting of 40+
acres. The Park Service has already acquired the four
"strip" parcels, each about four acres, and is working to
acquire a 10’ ROW on O’Laughlin and his neighbor following the
south branch of the old roadbed. The committee decided to recommend
accepting a donation of this parcel, or a less-than-fee easement on
it, but that we not recommend fee acquisition. We do not believe any
development on this parcel would be visible from the present AT route.
B. DOT project update: Jim Haggett circulated the
final draft plan for the changes to the AT pathway at the Miller Hill
Road—Taconic Parkway crossing. He noted that the DOT plans to do the
work in late October or maybe spring–they expect to take two weeks’
construction time. Jim has agreed to close and detour the trail while
it is under construction (back to the road walk) and he also plans to
close it during the short spring wet season next year to encourage
re-stabilization of the treadway.
C. Bulletin Board inventory and review update. Ron has
heard from Salley prior to the meeting, and she has not yet been able
to get together with Joe Hrouda to get the process started. Ron
mentioned the concern expressed to him by Jim Haggett (via Email) that
we have too many bulletin boards. After considerable discussion, it
was agreed that we should reconsider our bulletin board placement and
retrench to fewer boards and to place them right at the parking areas.
Putting them a couple of hundred feet off the roads to reduce
vandalism has not worked. It was also agreed that we should redesign
the boards and get away from the 5-sided information area as it does
not provide enough space for all the materials we want to include, and
it makes cutting the plexiglass / polycarbonate more difficult. We may
be able to reuse the 4x4 standards (or may not depending on the final
design). The new design should include brochure holders. We discussed
the issue of funding the new boards. Walt suggested that we seek out
youth groups (e.g., scouts or church groups) to do the project, which
would then be eligible for funding from the Elizabeth Levers’ fund
for youth projects. We agreed to continue and complete the planning at
the next meeting.
D. Cell tower update: Jim Haggett has heard nothing
new on this issue; he is waiting for more information from ATC.
E. Nuclear Lake Wetland Issues: Ron introduced the
emergence of this issue. He received a call from John Benson, reported
for the Pawling News-Chronicle, who informed him that the DOT has
destroyed the beaver dam at the culverts draining the swamp into
Whaley Lake Stream. Presumably, DOT was protecting their bridge
foundations for Route 55. John’s concern is they are destroying
wildlife habitat, as he noted a number of heron and egret nests in the
trees in the swamp, as well as a muskrat den in the area. Committee
members favor supporting retaining the swamp as active wildlife
habitat. Fred Gerty suggested installing a "beaver fooler"
device which maintains a fixed water level independent of the height
that beavers build their dam. Fred suggested that either we or John
contact Pat Vissering at the DEC Region 3 Wildlife Office (256-3095)
to determine the status of the wetland and the wildlife there. The
swamp appears to be large enough to be a DEC regulated wetland, which
would require DOT to obtain wetland permits for modifications such as
removal of beaver dams. It was also suggested that partial drainage of
the swamp would also create stagnant water pools that might harbor
mosquito infestations. It was also suggested that we mention to the
DOT their announced Environmental Initiative, in which they have
expressed the intent to be sensitive to environmental issues in their
work projects. Finally, it was pointed out that we can invoke the NY
state Memorandum of Understanding, since the DOT is a signatory to
that document.
F. Telephone Line at Dover Oak Tree: Ron received a
phone call from a regular hiker in the Pawling area who is a former
employee of New York State Electric and Gas (NYSEG), who was concerned
that Verizon seems to be putting a new pole line up West Dover Road
that will definitely require trimming of the Dover Oak Tree, which is
the largest blazed tree on the entire Appalachian Trail. He contacted
Ron last Friday, and gave Ron the names and numbers of a number of
contacts in the Engineering office at Verizon who could be contacted
to stop the work and avoid damage to the tree. Ron made some calls and
left messages on voicemail for two people in the engineering office,
and earlier today a lead engineer, Bill Jones, of Verizon returned Ron’s
call and assured us that Verizon will not disturb the tree. Ron also
contacted Don Owen, who likewise left messages last Friday and is
willing to work with us to provide Verizon an alternate routing for
the phone line that avoids the crown of the tree entirely. Ron also
determined that the Verizon field works actually installed three poles
near the tree on Friday, one on the East side of the road about 25
feet south of the NPS property corner, one on the West side of the
road just northwest of the tree’s trunk, and one on the East side of
the road just south of the north NPS property corner……..Need to
coordinate with NPS to use old line on west side.
G. No Hunting Sign installation (PLC/YRDC). Ron
indicated that Voss Signs has printed up 1,000 of the "No
Hunting" sign designed by Alyssa at YRDC. Five hundred will go to
ATC for their sign catalog, and 500 went to YRDC. The Public Lands
Corps grant paid for half of them, and ATC is paying for the
remainder. The Committee provided some priority locations that the PLC
crew should place them, including Monte Rosa, Nuclear Lake’s east
border with Pawling Mountain Gun Club, Corbin Hill, Johnson Hill, and
near Grape Hollow road.
H. Field placement of new keys and locks: Mike Arthur
received the new lock destined to go on the Depot Hill access upper
gate. Mike needs to deliver keys and key cards to the Howards and the
Henkels; he needs addresses for each. Ron will get this information to
him.
I. Ron reported on the August round of water testing
completed by Sara Ohliger. Wiley, RPH, and Messerschmitt all passed,
but the Morgan Stewart Shelter well failed both total and fecal
coliform testing. Ron has asked Sara to retest theat well, and she was
hoping to get out on Labor Day to get samples. Ron has also asked Doug
Senterman to post the water as needing treatment, and if possible, to
try to shock chlorinate the well.
3. Area Supervisors Summaries:
A. Jane Geisler reported that she is working with DOT
to try to move the AT sign on Route 22 to a better location. She has
split the trail section between Route 22 and the top of Corbin Hill
into tow pieces, one from Route 22 to the Swamp River (same
maintainer), and from the Swamp River to the top of Corbin Hill, and
Ollie Simpson is the new maintainer (this is an ADK-Mid Hudson
appointment). Georgette Weir has recently interviewed Jane for an
article in the Trail Walker. A group from Camp Ramah` worked on the
short relocation near Hoyt Road (adjacent to the Kings’ horse farm).
Jane has reblazed part of trail near Wiley shelter, and has installed
a new post near the Harlem Valley State Hospital dump road to make it
clearer where the AT goes when it comes out of the woods. She has
arranged to get a test run on ADA access along the Nuclear Lake dam
access road.
B. Frank Dogil has nothing to report.
C. Mike Arthur led a group from a summer camp at
Vasssar College on a hike from Route 52 to Canopus beach; there were
31 kids and 5 counselor. He suggested that it might be helpful to
blaziethe side trail from the AT to the beach – Walt will ask Bill
Bauman if this would be OK. One possibility would be to blaze to the
beach only (not both ways). The preferred route is essentially level
from the north end of the lake going to the west. Eagle Scout
candidate Keith Jordy (and his assistants) completed some of the work
at Telephone Pioneers shelter, including a new fire place, a rain
gutter for the shelter’s front roofline, and more overflow
campsites. They did NOT move the privy.
D. Jim Haggett explained that Tim Messerich’s group
decided to build a new patio at RPH (instead of the possibility of
shoring up the footbridge there). They built a concrete platform about
10’ by 10’ that can accommodate a picnic table. In mid July, Bob
Gray asked him to investigate a possible tree cutting on Hosner
Mountain. A call had come in from David,Garbasz, who owns Kiyiwana
Farm, stating David had hired a logger to remove some wood and he was
afraid his logger had logged on some AT lands. Jim checked out the
boundary on Hosner, and found no incursion, although the logging was
done right up to the boundary. Jim mentioned that he has put up
temporary signs at each end of the Nuclear Lake loop, and he would
like more permanent signs for the Nuclear Lake side trails. He is
still looking for a volunteer who would be willing to create routed
signs or equivalent.
E. Walt Daniels said that the IBM interns’ group,
who had agreed to work on Canopus Hill, cancelled and will probably
not reschedule. AMC will be holding their fall meeting at Graymoor in
October, and as part of the weekend will be planting a tree there.
Walt has arranged for them to plant the tree just south of the red
shed and entry road on the AT, so that the tree can be used for an AT
blaze once it matures.
4. The meeting was adjourned at approximately 9:45 PM.
Submitted by Walt Daniels with post-processing by Ron
Rosen.