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PVPatrick's picture

Harriman is a state park designed for peaceful recreation, not a military exercise area. As far as sacrifice, these are novice career army people voluntarily working towads commissions. Also, apparently the rules of the park do not apply as they park vehicles anywhere and walk off trail. I think the PIPC should rethink the idea before this becomes an annual event.
hiker4414's picture

It was a pleasure to meet and talk with them. I only wish we were still permitted to hike thru West Point. There used to be trails that ran all the way from Harriman to Storm King. 5 or 6 Years ago the Long Path was routed off roads and thru W. P. property, but our access was terminated after only a month or two. Does anyone know the reason?
srtmaintainer's picture

Good point about the trails that used to run on West Point land. I do imagine trails through the heart of the area where they do military maneuvers could be an issue with them. As for the LP though, it ran along the outer boundary of the military land. Maybe it's time to reopen negotiations on the LP route. On the main topic! I would be happy to see the Military hiking the Shawangunk Ridge Trail, I too would thank them for their courageous service. Andy Garrison
thegup's picture

Often when I hike the Camp Smith trail up to Anthony's Nose, I pass troops in full gear on the trail. I make way and applaud them, thank them for their service etc. It is an honor to be on the same the trail. ...
PVPatrick's picture

There were dozens of army vehicles and perhaps hundreds of army personnel all over the southern part of Harriman yesterday. They didnt appear to be carrying guns, but was a bit surreal. Anyone have any idea what was going on?
Daniel Chazin's picture

We have been advised that the West Point Military Academy has been doing some training involving long-distance hikes in Harriman. The following is the press release issued by West Point about these training exercises:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - RELEASE NO. 40-10 - CADETS TO TRAIN AT HARRIMAN STATE PARK - June 16, 2010

WEST POINT, N.Y. - The Palisades Interstate Park Commission and West Point have developed a world class land navigation training exercise for about 1,400 cadets that will be held in Harriman State Park from June 29 until July 13. (Training will take place in Harriman North and South.)

It is typical that military academy cadets conduct a variety of training activities annually from mid-May to early August in and around the West Point installation.

Cadet summer training is an integral part of the four-year leader development process that prepares cadets to earn their commissions as officers in the U.S. Army and become leaders of character to meet the challenges of a changing world.

PVPatrick's picture

Dont leave your k-ration garbage in the park on the trails. Dont build ground fires on ridgetops when there is extreme fire danger in the park.
PVPatrick's picture

A two week military occupation? Is this the kind of thing that needs to take place in the region's refuge from reality? It flies in the face of the Harrimans, Perkins and those that forethought to preserve this special place as an oasis. I am outraged..though they were all very polite. Isn't west point big enough for these kinds of exercises?
Phil McLewin's picture

The Yellow Trail bog bridges south of Camp Yaw Paw and north of gas line are in passable shape but hikers should use caution. Full replacement due by October 2010

Source: John Moran, Trail Chair

hiker4414's picture

Claim in the Dan Chazin description of the new AT route up Bear Mtn: "this new trail segment has been constructed to sustain the impact of the millions of feet that annually make their way up this popular route." I challenge the TC to provide statistics to support this claim. The credibility of the TC is at stake.
Georgette Weir's picture

Thanks for your close reading. Clarification and correction of the numbers provided to Daniel Chazin for his hike write-up is, indeed required. In the planning stages of the project, a consultant hired by PIPC reported the park has 3+million visitors annually, and 500,000 of them make it, by foot, bike, motorbike, or car, to the summit. There, they encounter the AT. Thousands more walk on pieces of it elsewhere on the mountain as links to other trails. "Millions of feet annually," (500,000 x 2 + an inexact pluralizing 's') is an overstatement. The new trail at Bear Mountain was designed to accommodate a minimum of 100,000 walkers a year.
Estelle's picture

A continued caution to hikers at Split Rock Reservoir.  Do not park along Split Rock Rd - tickets are being issued.  The only parking is in the fishing access parking lot  on the East side of the dam.  We hope to resolve this issue, but for now, no parking along Split Rock Rd.
Estelle's picture

The reroute of the BW/C and Highlands Trail has been completed.  All the HT blazing is done, some of the BW/C yellow blazes will be completed shortly.  The HT crosses Clinton Rd, Pequannock Watershed at P4 and now continues straight up the hill. It turns left and co-aligns along the newly created Bearfort Waters/Clinton (yellow) trail.  Since it's new, take care to follow the blazes.  There is no longer a loop hike possible since the trail across the beaver dam is closed. The beavers have made this crossing nearly impossible!  It's possible to hike from P4 to parking area P9 using a car shuttle.  This is a beautiful hike along ridges, with, at one point, a view of Buckabear Pond and Clinton Reservoir. After the beaver dam, the rest of the hike is along the reservoir.   Check the Highlands Trail webpages for further detail. 

Happy hiking!

ljstephan's picture

Very nice new trail, I took a hike along it today. Also on the trail with me were a rattlesnake and a couple of bears. They seemed to like it too!
Bob's picture

Thanks for the compliment , this trail represents many hours of volunteer labor. This year seems to be hosting a bumper crop of Rattlesnakes and we caution hikers to be on sharp lookout for where they plant their feet and hands. They are not aggresive unless you happen to step on them. Their favorite hangout is rock out crops with a Southern exposure, but we've also encountered them in untypical habitat. Please keep in mind that Timber Rattlesnakes are an Endangered species and are protected by New Jersey Laws. They serve an important niche in the forest ecology so please don't harm or disturb them. Thanks, Ynoke
PVPatrick's picture

The semipaved "old perkins road" which connects the AT at its first road crossing on the east side of Bear Mt and the AT again across Perkins Drive on the west side of the Mt is closed as the trail relocation begins the next phase.
thex's picture

What is the next phase?
thex's picture

Does anyone else disagree with the new Appalachian trail at Bear Mountain? I think its rediculous in many ways. First, this easy stair case is going to make it easier for people to get to parts of the trail/forest that they would never have even tried to get to, because it would be to difficult, so they would stay at the bottom, by the inn. But now, its just been made easier for people to get up there, litter, get loud have screaming kids etc. It used to be kinda peaceful, tranquil and clean up there, but I guess those days are now over. Also, what about all the wildlife that was displaced by this staircase? Everything from tiny ants to deer and bear have either been displaced, killed, scared off or something. In other words, this did nothing for the wildlife of Bear Mountain. Kind of makes NYNJTC and their supporters look and act like the Marines and corporations in Avatar. They had a goal and just did it, with only thinking of themselves and the money they are hoping will come in with new NYNJTC members and donations. I know thats the main goal. And yes, I have read enough and talked to enough people these past few years about how desperate the TC is for money. Seams that the TC and trail maintainers are forgeting what the forest is all about. BEING WILD AND CHALLENGING! Almost every time I'm on a trail in Bear Mountain or Harriman SP, there is some kind of stairs, bridges, steps, chainsaw cut blow downs and other man made things to let me know that this area is not wild and free. Its being made for the weak and the filthy. Yea, I always leave with a backpack full of others garbage. Maybe if people wouldn't mind walking over/around a blown down tree, we wouldn't have to walk through garbage as much. The TC seams to always be fighting for open space, to do with what THEY want, not for whats good for the forest/wildlife. They just took millions of dollars away from the EPF. And this is in the NYNJTC own words: "The bad news is that in exchange, the Environmental Protection Fund, which pays for land, water, and air protection measures across the state, will be reduced to $134 million from the $222 million it was at in 2009/10. This disproportionately large cut of almost 40% comes on top of the nearly $500 million that has been swept from the EPF in recent years, and which has created a significant backlog of unfunded projects, straining organizations, municipalities and others partnering with the state on environmental programs." So yea, the TC has a bunch of non self thinking droids to go and speak out for what the TC wants. So go ahead, try to justify this raping of the park and open spaces to boot. I won't be supporting them, and trust me, I'm not the only one who wants to keep the parks/forest wild and staircase free.
thegup's picture

The staircase is aesthetically pleasing and Bear Mountain is more a tourist destination than a serious hikers place anyway and has been for many years. I avoid it like the plague as I do Taurus and Breakneck simply because I got tired of watching people from NYC in flip flops on the path. There are hundreds of hikes in NYS that will provide you with the wild unspoiled and difficult experience you seek. You sound as though you should bushwack given your hatred of all man made trails. Try California Hill St Park just across the river if you want a pristine experience.