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johndavitt's picture

Hey, Anybody know if there is parking on the weekends at the Tuxedo Train Station ? A few years back, I tried and there was a Saturday Farmers market. Thanks
Daniel Chazin's picture

It is not clear whether weekend parking is allowed in the lot in front of the Tuxedo railroad station. However, Metro-North's website indicates that parking is free on weekends in the commuter parking lot located just north of the station.
scottghiz's picture

Does anyone know the details or updates on what is going on with the Ramapo Equestrian Center Parking? I went there in August and was told that parking is no longer allowed for hikers. We went across Rt 202 and parked on a residential street, but this can't be a permanent solution. It's only a matter of time before the local residents shut that down. Thanks!
scottghiz's picture

My 2016 map shows a 0.95 RD trail segment below the Timp. However, today, I planned to utilize that RD section below the Timp for a loop hike but it seemed that the RD trail in that section is concurrent with the blue blazed Timp-Torne trail and goes over the Timp. Did I miss something?
Daniel Chazin's picture

This section of the R-D Trail below the Timp was abandoned soon after the 2016 edition of the Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails map set was published. This was a very steep, poorly constructed trail, and it was decided to consolidate the R-D Trail east of Timp Pass with the Timp-Torne Trail, which follows a much better route. The current route of the R-D and T-T Trails in this area is shown on the new 2020 edition of the Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails map set.
scottghiz's picture

I appreciate the details on the trail!
plippert's picture

Thank you for the detailed information. I will look into the N/S Lake Campground, or just pack water into the other sites. It seems like an area full of beautiful features.
plippert's picture

Is backcountry camping permitted in Section 22 of the Long Path, Platte Clove Road to Palenville? Does anyone know of any campsites along the route?
plippert's picture

Does the Batavia Kill Shelter have water close by? Is it on the kill?
plippert's picture

Section 23 of the Long Trail, which passes North Lake, seems beautiful, but I’m wondering what alternatives there are to the commercial campsite on the Lake. Does anyone know about the one near the junction of the Horse Trail and the Schutt Road Trail? Does the one near the Palenville Overlook have water available? Is the commercial campground set in a pleasant spot?
skihiker's picture

I am the NYNJTC trails supervisor for this area. I believe that the spot near the horse trail & Schutt Rd. trail intersection is ok to camp at, though I've never seen anyone do it. Last time I checked it, there was a fire pit and a privy there. There is even a horse mounting ramp there, from when there was a crazy idea of creating a handicap horse riders campground there. No close water source, unless the drainage ditch along side the SC trail has water running from recent rain. I haven't seen anyone camp near Palenville overlook in many years. Picnic table was destroyed and burned many years ago. Fire pit is practically destroyed. No water source near there. The North/South Lake Campground is a very nice place. You would have to get a reservation, and this year they are down to 50% occupancy due to the virus. Running water and restrooms there. I imagine that you would have to walk out to the gatehouse to check in. Good luck. Cal
lancetm21's picture

Planning a multi-day hike soon and wondering what the primitive campsites on the NYNJ Trail Maps are like? Specifically the one West of Blackhead in between Blackhead and Black Dome? Also, the one East of Slide between Slide and Cornell? Thank you!!
Daniel Chazin's picture

A friend of mine, who recently visited these sites, has the following to say: The primitive sites in the col between Blackhead and Black Dome are nice and, from what I've seen, underutilized. They are dry, and they are free of trash and debris. It pays to look around, as the ones further off the trail are the nicest. Water is about 0.4 mile down the Black Dome Range Trail. There is a high-impacted set of "stealth sites" (room for 4 or 5 tents) just north of Acra Point, all with partially obstructed, but nice views of the Blackhead Range. No water is conveniently available. The sites between Cornell and Slide are similarly nice, but several are very close to the trail. However, the water source marked on the 2016 edition of the map was barely a muddy puddle and slow trickle when I was there in early August (this water source has been deleted from the current 2018 edition of the map). We chose to take our water from the spring on the back side of Slide.
lancetm21's picture

Thanks so much! Glad to hear they are in good conditions.
mitchpolack's picture

I went over to the trailhead in Pomona today and Orange and Rockland has completely taken over the parking lot and closed access to the trail. They have it marked as a construction zone but I think they might be using it as a staging ground to ferry workers up the mountain -- my backup plan was hiking up the Mountain trail at Kakiat park and I saw tracked vehicles heading up. They even bulldozed a new road with a bridge right through the Kakiat trail.

Anyways - does anyone know how I can find out if the Tux-Mt Ivy Trailhead at Diltzes Lane will be opened back up eventually? That's my favorite spot to head into the park and I'll be super bummed to have lost it permanently.

agfrank1's picture

A friend and I also tried to use the Diltzes Lane trailhead on August 26 to enter the park to do some trail maintenance. We pulled in and parked out of the way in the back of the parking lot/staging area, but an Orange & Rockland employee told us to leave. There's a sign at the parking lot/staging area directing hikers to the njpalisades.org website for alternatives. But as best I can tell, that website only has information about the actual Palisades park along the Hudson River in the Fort Lee and Alpine area. So it's not useful for people wanting to hike in Harriman.
johndavitt's picture

Anybody know if camping on the AT in NJ is ok again ? I know it had been suspended. I'm not seeing closure list on the ATC.org site. Was hoping to do a 2-3 night backpacker on NJ AT next week.
Daniel Chazin's picture

Here is the official word from Trail Conference staff: Camping is allowed, but hikers are advised to avoid shelters. As long as people are using their own tents or other alternatives, camping is perfectly fine. This webpage is the best go-to resource for COVID-related AT closures: https://appalachiantrail.org/explore/plan-and-prepare/hiking-basics/heal...
plippert's picture

I want to thank you for the information and encouragement. Those are some luxurious accommodations along that new stretch of trail. Beautiful terrain as well. I actually did wind up packing six liters of water down Slide Mountain into the col. Not fun. Shouldn’t the guide warn first-timers that climbing is involved? Anyway, I made it. The spring at 5.0 was dry, but the one that crosses the trail over on the Cornell side of the col was flowing. I also found water just a little way into the new stretch of trail. So, things were not as dry as I had feared.
plippert's picture

I am about to do Sections 16, 17, 18, and 19 of the Long Path. In the trail description I notice that from the low spot between Slide and Cornell Mountains at 5.0 miles of Section 18, where it says there is a spring, to the pipe spring mentioned at 8.55 miles in Section 19, all of the water sources mentioned are characterized as intermittent. At 0.5 miles of Section 19, it mentions “a small stream that often has water.” At .85 miles, a “seasonal stream.” At 4.0 miles, a “seasonal spring.” I should be passing through there Tuesday or Wednesday. Can anyone advise me on what I might find in any of these places? If these intermittent sources are dry, I would have to hike 12 miles without water. Is it a tough stretch to do? Should I consider bailing out and walking Woodland Valley Road to Phoenicia?

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