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Mud? Ice? High water at stream crossings?

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tree188's picture

10/24/2015  Hiked this section on this date, starting @ Sam's Point and taking out at the Aumick Rd. access.  Trail was clear and in good condition, however, the SRT / LP split could be better marked.  Puchin by marsh areas of Mud Pond in need of rehabilitation.  Bad condition.  Trees were in full color.  Probably the best of the best, I suspect the leaves will either be browning mostly or coming down.  See them while you can!  Trails were busy, nice to see so many folks using the trails.
banjolady's picture

we wanted to do a basic popolopen circular from ft montgomery, going down on 9w to the PG trail and then crossing the spectacular bridge  (thank you trail conference builders)  and climbing the torne and going back on the TT.  there is a lot of construction on 9w now making it very challenging to do the hike this way. we ended up parking at brooks lake park and just going in from there and picking up the timp torne--i didnt want to take a chance with no sidewalk while walking 3 dogs...
NYHIKER60's picture

I hate to put this right up front online, but with all the changes made to the trails in Harriman State Park without the trail conference knowledge this will be putting your new maps into obsolescence very quickly.
Daniel Chazin's picture

I assume that your comment relates to the difficulties that hikers have had in following the Beech Trail in the area of Tiorati Brook Road (see comments below).  The Trail Conference is well aware of what is going on there -- the Park is replacing a bridge, which has resulted in a temporary interruption of the trail route.  The bridge should be completed within the next month, at which time the trail route will be restored.  The Park does not make changes to the trails without notifying the Trail Conference, and your concerns about our maps becoming obsolete are without basis.
jbeard's picture

I wanted to do a loop using the LP, Beech, and Red Cross today, but could not, because the bridge on Tiorati Brook Road is being rebuilt. Big hole and lots of heavy equipment there today.  Does anyone know how long this work will take, and block the trail? Jonathan's picture

The trails are not affected by the road work, & a couple of weeks ago, I ran down the road with no problem getting past the construction, I hope that helps.
jbeard's picture

I don't think you could have done that yesterday.  Big crew, lots of machinery, deep hole, and barricades.  Jonathan
Schwinn1979's picture

Did this hike a few days ago. I was able to cross the stream on the rocks just before the bridge and rejoin the trail at the woods road.
srtmaintainer's picture

tree188's picture

9/27/2015  Sunday Hiked from the Shawanga Lodge Rd access to Rt 52, Cragsmoor.  Trail was clear, no other hikers met.  Evidence of the spring fire is still present but new growth is rapidly hiding the damage.  Missed the yellow access trail on the LP & SRT by Rt. 52.  We were not sure if we just missed the intersection or if the blazes were down.  Added a four mile hike to RT 52 & up 52 to get back to the parking lot.  Ouch!  My feet are sore........   Top is marked OK. We will check this out again on the next section hike to see what happened.  If you are in the area and planning to use the access trail, be aware of this potential problem at the bottom end. Trees are starting to turn color but nothing major yet.  Also saw what looks like a new quarry across the valley by the airport.  Sorry to see what looks like a clear cut and strip mine operation.  Angry yellow jackets on the trail.  Got bit or stung once.  It was speculated that they're angry that the season is over and they're about to die.  Therefore they have attack everything to remind people of their existence.
jbeard's picture

Is there any safe place for cars to park for the Stonetown Circular Trail and the others--such as Horse Pond Mountain Trail--that connect to it?  I drove to Stonetown Road, then to the end of White Road, and was shooed off by a hostile resident. There was a dodgy-looking dirt road to the side that might work, but it was not inviting. She also warned me of "three giant bears" in the woods. She was not Goldilocks. So I drove to Lake Riconda, which does have a tiny cul-de-sac at the end of the road, and parked there. That would not hold more than 2 cars comfortably. Both of these locations are marked with a P on the trail map, but they are less than ideal. Jonathan
Willy's picture

I had to laugh when I saw your post because one time I parked on White Rd next to the trailhead for the connector trail and some guy came out and "warned" me about a 600 pound bear up in the woods. I think the residents of White Rd. think they own the road, which clearly they do not. My car was still there when I returned from the hike and I saw no bears (although I'm sure there are some in that neck of the woods). I have parked at the Stonetown Recreation Complex on Mary Roth Drive  Take County  511 to Westbrook Rd and make 1st right onto Stonetown Rd. The complex will be on your left. The trailhead for the Stonetown Circular Trail is directly across Stonetown Road from the Mary Roth Drive entrance (there is no sign for Mary Roth Dr., however) You can also park on County  511 at large gravel lot opposite E. Shore Rd. The Highlands Trailis very close to the gravel lot and  will take you up to junction with Horse Pond Mt Trail. Hope this helps.
Estelle's picture

the gravel parking lot referred to is CLOSED.   Park Police have closed it off due to illegal swmming in the river further up the road.    Stonetown Rec Complex is the best option for parking.   
NYHIKER60's picture

Like the poster before me, I also saw some construction equipment but along the Victory Trail near the lake.  It seems as if there is some work being done and I wish the trail conference would know about this.
janelevenson's picture

On Sat Sept 5 , we came upon major equipment Bulldozer, etc) and construction like site in MIDDLE OF BEECH TRAIL (near Tiorati Brook Road but on trail). No detour noted though both sides of trail were fine except for big impediment. We scrounged around, crossed over dirt at work site. There may have been a good place to dtour but not marked--not even masking tape,etc. No one on hike had seen this before in spring or a bit later. Jane Levenson
Daniel Chazin's picture

The Park is in the process of replacing the bridge over Tiorati Brook on Tiorati Brook Road, just east of the Beech Trail parking area. The old bridge was deemed to be inadequate to handle heavy loads and has already been removed. As a result, Tiorati Brook Road is now closed from a mile east of Tiorati Circle to the Palisades Interstate Parkway. The heavy machinery that has been placed on the route of the Beech Trail is needed for the construction of the new bridge. We hope temporarily to reroute the Beech Trail around the construction area. This temporary reroute would cross Tiorati Brook on rocks near the Beech Trail parking area. Due to the reduced water flow in the brook (the level of Lake Tiorati has been lowered to facilitate the construction), it is anticipated that crossing the brook on rocks should not be difficult. It is hoped that this temporary reroute will be in place very soon.
janelevenson's picture

Thanks, Dan. We hoped a  marked detour would be forthcoming.
NYHIKER60's picture

Things are really dry in the park.  I was there last weekend and every stream, spring and brook was bone dry.  I know this usually happens in the late summer but this is the worst I've seen it.  When I tried to get down to one of the lakes it was hard to get to the water as well unless I junped right in.  Better bring extra water along and not plan on spending the night.  I was there a few weeks ago and I was wading through deep water on the Red Cross Trail.  What a difference a few weeks makes!
morgankg1's picture

Several days ago, I drove to the end of Pelnor Hollow Road to access the Pelnor Hollow trail.  At the end of the road, there were several signs indicating "No Parking" and "Do Not Enter".  The signs seem to be DEC signs, not from property owners.  The NYNJTC Catskill map does not indicate parking, but it does seem to indicate there is trail access. Assuming that I park elsewhere, how do I access the Pelnor Hollow trail from Pelnor Hollow Road?  Does the "Do Not Enter" sign not apply to hikers?
Doug Senterman's picture

There is no offical parking at the end of the road due to some private land located there.  You can however park elsewhere and hike in and gain access to the trailhead.  We are currently working with the NYS DEC to help resolve the parking issue.