Hiking Trail Conditions Forum

Mud? Ice? High water at stream crossings? This is the place to let the hiking community know what you encountered, where and when (be as precise as possible). Suggestion: Make the trail or park name your subject.

To report serious trail problems that need Trail Conference attention, go here. Problems reported here get to the maintainers fast and reliably. Problems reported on the forum below help your fellow hikers avoid problem areas until they get fixed, but not all maintainers read this regularly so also use the problem report form.

To report illegal trail use go here.

Harriman State Park: Pine Meadow Lake

Just wanted to make everyone aware, there was a brush fire actively burning on the North Side of Pine Meadow Lake in Harriman State Park on Sunday 4/12/15. The Park office was notifed and advised at the time of our call that they were aware of the situation.

The Park did not appear to be actively fighting the fire, but more than likely letting it burn the underbrush on that side of the lake. There are 2 illegal campsites that I know of in that are just east of the old CCC pumphouse. It appeared to have burned quite a bit of area but also seemed to be extinguishing itself at the time, as it seemd to be burning itself into a corner at lakeside.

Trail Conditions by Basha Kill

I am thinking of hiking the Long Path near

Basha Kill this Saturday, April 4. Anywhere within sections 11 and 12 , but I am wondering about conditions with spring snow melt. If it only requires occasional road walking, that is not so bad. I am also wondering about ice and snow conditions in the higher elevations. Can anyone tell me what to expect? Thanks.

Trail Conditions by Basha Kill

I walked those two sections on 22 and 28 March. Still had enough snow in almost all the way, but it was frozen and you could walk well (in some areas is suitable microspikes).

However, section 12 snow was pretty soft, and occasionally you sink. Also areas with a little water.

After these days of high temperature and rainfall, it is possible that the snow that remains is still softer.

I am following the Long Path north. This weekend I hope to walk sections 14 and 15. I have a car. If you also have a car and at some point we agree, we could organize for connecting the start and end of a section .

Sorry for my bad English. You may have guessed that I am translating with google.

1777E Trail Report - 3/29

Yesterday afternoon my wife and I hiked out and back from the parking lot at the Bear Mountain Inn.  We took the 1777E trail south, turned west on Doodletown road, followed it to the S-BM junction and then returned. The trails were virtually snow-free. There was mud in spots, as you would expect, but certainly nothing that wasn't easily avoided.

Fairly close to the trail head, we spotted a group of 8 deer grazing. Along Doodletown Road we also saw what appeared to be bear paw marks in the mud.

New Bridge Above Cascade Of Slid?

In the latest Trail Walker there is a picture of two guys building a bridge, and the caption says it is above the Cascade of Slid. Is this bridge completed? Can you hike the Kakiat trail to this bridge and cross the water?

I did not see any announcement about this on the TC website, which seems odd.

bridge on HTS yes, kakiat NO

the new bridge is above the cascades, making it possible to cross the stream on the orange HTS trail. the bridge which takes the kakiat trail across the stream is still out as of last week. not sure of any rebuilding plans but it is not possible to plan a hike crossing that stream right now. hurricane irene caused destruction of a number of bridges in the area. most have been rebuilt but not that one on the kakiat.

Bridge on Kakiat NO

As Banjolady reported, the Kakiat bridge remains missing, and crossing without it is essentially impossible (and highly discouraged).  The Trail Conference has not been able to obtain permission from the park to replace this bridge.  The desire is to determine a different location that would reduce the probability of a bridge being again flooded out. To  date, though there has been some searching, no such location has been determined.  At this point there is no time frame for replacement, or assurance that it will be replaced.  Thus, for all intents except for a short in and out hike, the Kakiat Trail from 7-Lakes Drive southeast to the former bridge site is currently useless. 

Bridge at Cascade of Slid has been completed

The new bridge across Pine Meadow Brook was recently constructed by volunteers and is open for use by the hiking public.

trail report fri 3/20/15

we did an arden loop from elk pen today fri 3/20. started around 10am going up the AT. it was hard packed snow going up. traction aids necessary, snowshoes not necessary at that time. we went on the ASB/LP  up to the lichen and then the RD, back on the dunning and island pond rd, then out on the ASB.  plenty of bare rock on the ridges of lichen and RD. pretty easy going on the dunning. it started snowing around noontime. on island pond road the snow was pretty deep still but not terrible.  we got on the asb which was snowy but manageable until we got to the steep part where the trail gets very narrow going along the edge of the cliff. by that point the snow had covered up the very icy conditions on that section of trail. full crampons and an ice axe would have been helpful.  the rest of the way down the ASB was very slippery, ice under snow and the snow was so sticky that it balled up and rendered microspikes rather ineffective.
I strongly suggest that hikers avoid the ASB between island pond Rd and the elk pen until spring REALLY arrives—it is very dangerous right now. conditions are expected to moderate in the next few days so it could all change soon but be careful out there!!
 

AT from 17a-Graymoor

I just found out that I'll have some free time the weekend before easter (April2nd to 5th).  I wanted to attempt to cover some ground on the AT.  Has anyone been up there that can say if they think the trail will be passable without snowshoes in 2 weeks?  If not, I might have to look for another place to go further south.

 

Thanks

AT in NY

snow is melting fast. we might get another couple inches tomorrow but i would bet that snowshoes wont be necessary. this week the trails are wet and sometimes icy but definitely passable without snowshoes. bring gaiters and waterproof boots though

great,thanks for the update!

great,thanks for the update!  here on long island, at sea level, the trails are all covered in about 3 inches of ice.  I was thinking about postponing it but it sounds like I might not have to pass on my trip after all.

 

Hiking from the Sebago Boat Launch 3/15/15

The conditions required snowshoes throughout our 4-mile hike up the Seven Hills and via the Pine Meadow Road to the red ski trail.The snow was very soft so going was difficult because we kept slipping off the packed area into the softer sides. Fear of twisting ankles and knees made us use caution and go much slower than would otherwise have been the case.

Bonticou Crag and Table Rocks - conditions?

Hello, I am thinking of taking some friends on the Bonticou Crag hike next weekend, the 21st, I know that it is a week away, but was wondering anyone had some thoughts on what the conditions might be.  We have had a lot of snow this year and want to make sure it is safe to climb up the rock scramble.  Any advise would be appreciated.  Thanks Jim

Long Path / Harriman

Does anyone have any updated info on what this recent warm streak has left us with on the Long Path? I'm looking at doing section 5 on Saturday if it doesn't rain, and wanted to know if it's just a slushy mess, or something else I can work around with boots, snowshoes, or microspikes.

Silvermine Road conditions

Did the Silvermine Lake Loop yesterday.  Conditions were excellent, with the trail very packed down, 10-18 inch base.  We wore the spikes but left the snowshoes in the car.

All went well until we were on the way back, opposite shore of the lake, following Silvermine Road.  The packed down trail was right next to the shoreline, then it turned left and went to the water's edge.  And that was it.  Ahead, Silvermine Road from the middle of the lakeshore all the way to 7 Lakes Drive, was untouched.

We post holed that entire distance with snow coming up to our knees before emerging onto 7 Lakes Drive.

Lesson learned - if you do have snowshoes, just wear them.  Even if the trail is packed down, it's still fine to walk it in snowshoes.  And you'll be prepared if suddenly, you actually need them.

Trail conditions Ramapo-Dunderberg Trail

Hey everyone!

I'm suppose to co lead a hike this weekend and we were planning on doing some hiking in Harriman. Our plan was to start from the Tuxedo train station and take the Ramapo Dunderberg Trail to Tuxedo-Mt Ivy to a Blue Disk. Anyone know the trail conditions in this area. Thanks so much!

Trail conditions in Harriman

I was in Harriman yesterday.  There is currently about a foot of snow on the ground.  Some trails are well packed and can easily be negotiated without snowshoes, but others may not be packed, and snowshoes may be necessary.  Also, traction aids (such as MicroSpikes) are highly recommended, especially for steep climbs and descents, such as the Blue Disc Trail up to the top of Almost Perpendicular.

Of course, a storm is predicted for Sunday, which may bring ice and/or rain to the area.  This will change the conditions significantly.

Condition of Timp-Torne & R-D Trails and West Mountain Shelter

Can any comment on the depth of snow on the Timp-Torne, and R-D trails starting from Anthony Wayne Rec Center as well as the West Mountain Shelter? I am planning an overnight there this weekend. Can this be done with microspikes but without snowshoes?

 

Thanks,

Deep snow on trails

I did a hike yesterday at Harriman on the 7 Hills trail.  Really deep snow on the mountain tops, about 2 feet.  Lower parts of the trail were well trodden and easy walking, though.  I'd recommend light traction devices for going up and down but you could probably get away with none on the flatter parts.  Myself, I had Yax Trax light on one foot and nothing on the other and it was okay.  No ice on the trail, just snow.

It's serious winter in Harriman this year, maybe the most I've seen.  Lake Sebago looked like a vast snowfield.  In fact, I forgot it was supposed to be a lake.  Nice blue ice formations hanging off rock cliffs along 7 Lakes.

Parks Dept did a great job keeping 7 Lakes clear, not just the road, but the shoulders!  That was so important yesterday for those of us that like to do winter bicycling and running.

RE: Deep snow on trails

Hi, thanks for the bulletin!

I was thinking of doing an overnight at one of the lean-to's in Harriman next weekend. Do you think those areas are unreachable at this point? If we don't get any more snowfall, are they likely to be cleared up by then?

SNOW

1/27/15  though we didnt get the blizzard of the century,  we  do have lots of nice snow in harriman today--went xc skiing from sebago and conditions were lovely, some powder on a good base.  some people were using snowshoes last weekend. apparently the local ski areas are open --fahnestock and the gunks...and most of the tri state area should have some decent xc skiing and hiking...

Harriman conditions 1/21

Did the Silvermine Lake loop with a quick extension up & down Black Mountain for the viewpoint.

The route was around 75% solid ice on the trail, around 2 inches thick.  Seems that there was snow on the trail, then rain fell on top of the snow, then temps dropped before any of that could melt & the result was ice all over trails which don't usually accumulate water.

 

YakTrax or MicroSpikes were essential.  There was no way this hike could be done without the extra traction.

 

I'm assuming after today's snow that conditions will be similar, though the ice will be hidden under the new snow, making for even more challenging hiking.

Harriman - Big Hill Shelter parking

In response to the question posed on January 13:

Route 106 within Rockland County is not closed in winter.  There is a fine roadside parking area along the south side of the road where the SBM crosses, as shown on the Trail Conference Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails Map.  This location is my recommendation though this is not a Park road and there is no assurance that the parking area will be cleared. 

Parking areas also exist on Route 75, Call Hollow Road, at approximately the same distance from the shelter as from 106.  These are also not along a park road and their condition is less desirable, particularly for overnight parking- close to the edge of a highly traveled road and questionable condition of the lot, among the considerations. 

There is no parking along Lake Welch Drive where the Long Path crosses (or elsewhere on the Drive).  Note too, that St. John's Road is a park road and the Park rule to not park along Park Roads is commonly enforced.  The St. John's Church lot is signed as no-parking and the church is serious about it. 

Harriman - Big Hill Shelter

Can someone advise as to the current (winter) parking availability near the subject Shelter off Rte 98, 75 and/or 106? Is parking available close to where the S_BM Trail crosses Rte 106?

Realizing the current parking availability, what is the most direct route to the Shelter?

Finally, if anyone has been there lately, any info on trail conditions or availability of water in the area would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Bob

Mohonk Cross Country Ski Conditions, 1/09/2015

Trails are closed for XC skiing and shoeshoes.  About 2.5 inches of snow fell overnight.  That is the total amount on the ground at this time.  Still not enough to ski yet, please check back later for updated information.

Trail Conditions for the Gunks

Not  enough snow for skiing...  Plenty of cold weather.

re: hiking conditions

Anybody been up to Harriman and/or Hudson Highlands lately?  I'm just wondering if there's snow or ice on the paths so I know what shoes I can wear.  Thanks.

Hiking conditions in Harriman

I was in Harriman yesterday, and there was essentially no snow or ice.  However, some snow probably fell there today, so if you are going tomorrow (Sunday), you might want to bring MicroSpikes or Stabilicers.

thanks

thanks

2015 January 02nd

The ground is still bear in the "Gunks".    No cross country skiing or snowshoeing.  Just walking or hiking.  It is still cold with a "little" wind.

2014 New Years Eve.

Still no snow in the Gunks for snowshoeing or Crosscountry Skiing.

cross country skiing in Ulster County, NY

There is no cross country skiing at minnawaska or mohonk.  Just hiking!!

 

Merry Christmas.

Flood Watch

Flood Watch for Ulster County, NY. 

Hurley Rail Trail

Hurley Rail Trail

    Great afternoon walk. No Ice  or Snow on the trail.

SRT- Otisville to Wurtsboro Ridge

12/23/2014

Hiked this section on Sunday the 21st.  Path was clear and well marked.  No snow, very overcast.  Bashakill Wildlike Refuge was scenic.  Look forward to seeing this place when it is green.  However, it was good to see the place with the leaves down.  Allowed for a better view of the overall lake and marsh.  Saw a juvenile bald eagle and its roost.  Lots of small bird mobs (chickadee, slate juncos, woodpecker, brown creeper and nuthatch) along the way. 

Ended up using the old LP acess to exit at Shawanga Lodge Rd.  Sorry to see the trail head on the road has been eliminated.  This is a good trail for access on and off the Ridge.  This should still be a marked public access, even if the parking is limited.

Mohonk trails

The trails at mohonk are bare of snow, as of this writing  12/22/2014.

Winter has started, Get out ans hike.

Mohonk trails

Yes, Its less than 90 days till Spring.

Mohonk Trails

Thank you.

Route 106 closures

 

Route 106 within Orange County, between 7-Lakes Drive and Route 17, is closed for the winter season.  This road has been abandoned by the county and is now a park road.  It is expected to be closed for the same period as  are  several other park roads, from December 1 to April 1, as signed on the various park roads affected. This section of 106 is also subject to wet and icy conditions and is difficult to keep safe.   Visitors to the park may find that some of the closed roads are partially cleared of snow, though signed closed and partially blocked..  The clearing may be only minimal and is for official use only.  The closings are to be obeyed by the general public. Note also that even 7-Lakes Drive may not always be immediately cleared during and following a snow storm, particularly overnight.  

Lots of changes near Lake Skannatati

I hiked from the Lake Skannatati parking lot today and found a brand new trail.  A man was building a wooden kiosk that I guess will have maps and TC posters in it.  He said his firm had built the new segment of the Arden-Surebridge trail that begins with stone steps at the parking lot.  It now takes a route that is parallel to Seven Lakes, and avoids the top of the hill.  As a result, the Red Cross trail starts in a new place.  Are the changes already on TC maps?  If not, when will they appear?

Later, I found that the (unofficial) Bottlecap trail has been reblazed beginning at Seven Lakes and heading west.  Whoever did this apparently had a saw and cleared many trees that blocked the trail, as well as nailing up new bottlecaps.

Someone with a chainsaw has cleared the old woodsroad that links the Bottlecap trail to Times Square.

A-SB & Red Cross Changes Will Be On New Map

The Trail Conference is finishing work on a revision to the Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails map set, and the trail changes in this area that affect the Arden-Surebridge Trail and Red Cross Trail will be on the new map (among other trail relocations, other adjustments, and the introduction of trail mileage numbers along the trails).  Look for the new maps in early 2015!

~Jeremy, TC Cartographer

Not on maps

The changes are not on the most recent version of the Harriman map set (2013). If these are official, approved changes, then hopefully the TC will create a free printable close up map of that area with the changes on it for hikers to keep with the map set.

Thank you for the info!!!

changes near skanatati

the relocation of the trail has completely avoided the best part of the ASB which is the nice viewpoint over the lakes. i am sure people will keep making their own trail to the viewpoint...from what i heard, the Park hired an independent trail company to make the changes. I have not heard that the TC approved of the changes but they will most likely be on the next map set which will be coming out soon. i have also noticed bottle caps marking the path to camp thendara from the red cross trail east of skanatati, i think they cross 7 lakes dr too.

maybe john mack will chime in and fill in more of the facts here....

Why?

After so many years of working with the TC, why would the park hire an independent trail company to re-route a trail?

The ASB rerouting

 

The man I saw at work on the kiosk was from this company

http://www.tahawustrails.com/index.html

and he said that the overlook of Lake Skannatati was "sensitive habitat," and that the changes were to keep people away from that area.

 

JDB

Rte 106

Is Rte 106 going to be closed this winter regardless of conditions? If so, when does it close and when will it open?

Thanks.

Bob

Snow on Hunter Mountain

Was up on Hunter Mountain in the Catskills this weekend hiking the western end of Devils Path. There was anywhere from 5-16 inches of snow in spots on the mountain. Parked at Diamond Notch Road and hiked out to the parking lot at Notch Lake. There was still plenty of running water in the area, and it had warmed up quite a bit by Sunday morning, which made the hike out slightly precarious. 6 inches of melted/ing snow made for some pretty slick conditions even with microspikes. 

Overall though Trails were relatively compact and snowshoes weren't necessary.

Harriman - Dunderberg Mtn Trail Conditions

Does anyone know what the trail (e.g. Timp Thorne, Ramapo Dunderburg) conditions are like around Dunderberg Mtn.since it snowed last week? Was there much accumulation, is it still there, any ice?

Thanks.

Bob

Trail Condations

Does any post trail condations here??