Hiking Trail Conditions Forum

Mud? Ice? High water at stream crossings? This is the place to let the hiking community know what you encountered, where and when (be as precise as possible). Suggestion: Make the trail or park name your subject.

To report serious trail problems that need Trail Conference attention, go here. Problems reported here get to the maintainers fast and reliably. Problems reported on the forum below help your fellow hikers avoid problem areas until they get fixed, but not all maintainers read this regularly so also use the problem report form.

To report illegal trail use go here.

Route 106

What are the plans for Route 106 this winter? Any closings - if so, where, dates? Are any of the parking areas on TC Map 118 effected?

Winter closure of 106, reply to question

Available information is that the park expects to close the section of 106 that is a park Road. Whether or not it will be closed on Dec 1 as with other selected park roads as in past years or possibly delayed until first snow fall or freeze, I have not learned.  When closed we can expect it to be closed from just west of the Kanawauke Lake parking lot to Rt. 17 with two possible exceptions: Possibly the road will be open from Rt. 17 to the small pull-off for the Parker Cabin Hollow Trail, and also possibly the Ramapo RIver Access (between the Ramapo RIver and Thruway Crossing of 106 just east of Rt. 17) may be kept open, though it would not be priority for immediate attention.  

Though the Kanawauke lot is expected to be available, note that no official or maintained trails are available from that lot except if one walks westerly on the road to the various trail crossings.  Walking the road when there is limited travel is not a bad experience (minor useage occurs as needed for a few residences and possible need for camp access.) 

No parking sign at Arden Point trailhead

The trailhead at Arden Point on Lower Station Road (right by the Garrison train station) has parking for about two cars.  On Monday I went there to take a hike and there is a No Parking Anytime sign posted now.  Does the TC know why that sign has been posted there and what our alternatives are other than paying to park at the station lot?

Parking for Arden Point

Parking for this trailhead on Lower Station Road is available in the train station parking lot, which is free on weekends but has a fee during weekdays.  The nearest alternative parking area is at the Garrison Institute and Glenclyffe a little further south on Route 9D.  From the parking area off the entrance road, you can follow trails up to Arden Point or as a loop around the Glenclyffe property.  Both of these parking areas, and the trails themselves, are shown on our East Hudson Trails map of the area.

The "No Parking Any Time" signs have been up in that area since at least 2013, and likely even longer ago than that.  I'm unsure the specific reason for the signs, but I might suggest that section of road is fairly narrow with hardly any shoulder, so authorities may have decided for safety concerns to restrict parking at that small shoulder area at the trailhead.

~Jeremy, TC Cartographer

SRT-Sam's Point to Lake Awosting


Hiked this section on this date, starting @ Sam's Point and taking out at the Aumick Rd. access.  Trail was clear and in good condition, however, the SRT / LP split could be better marked.  Puchin by marsh areas of Mud Pond in need of rehabilitation.  Bad condition.  Trees were in full color.  Probably the best of the best, I suspect the leaves will either be browning mostly or coming down.  See them while you can!  Trails were busy, nice to see so many folks using the trails.

popolopen gorge trail from 9w hard to get to

we wanted to do a basic popolopen circular from ft montgomery, going down on 9w to the PG trail and then crossing the spectacular bridge  (thank you trail conference builders)  and climbing the torne and going back on the TT.  there is a lot of construction on 9w now making it very challenging to do the hike this way. we ended up parking at brooks lake park and just going in from there and picking up the timp torne--i didnt want to take a chance with no sidewalk while walking 3 dogs...

Harriman Park trail changes

I hate to put this right up front online, but with all the changes made to the trails in Harriman State Park without the trail conference knowledge this will be putting your new maps into obsolescence very quickly.

Changes to trails are not made without our knowledge

I assume that your comment relates to the difficulties that hikers have had in following the Beech Trail in the area of Tiorati Brook Road (see comments below).  The Trail Conference is well aware of what is going on there -- the Park is replacing a bridge, which has resulted in a temporary interruption of the trail route.  The bridge should be completed within the next month, at which time the trail route will be restored.  The Park does not make changes to the trails without notifying the Trail Conference, and your concerns about our maps becoming obsolete are without basis.

Beech Trail broken

I wanted to do a loop using the LP, Beech, and Red Cross today, but could not, because the bridge on Tiorati Brook Road is being rebuilt. Big hole and lots of heavy equipment there today.  Does anyone know how long this work will take, and block the trail?


It's the road

The trails are not affected by the road work, & a couple of weeks ago, I ran down the road with no problem getting past the construction, I hope that helps.

The road

I don't think you could have done that yesterday.  Big crew, lots of machinery, deep hole, and barricades. 


Did this hike a few days ago.

Did this hike a few days ago. I was able to cross the stream on the rocks just before the bridge and rejoin the trail at the woods road.

RE: Beech Trail broken

LP/SRT-Wurtsboro Area, Sullivan County NY

9/27/2015  Sunday

Hiked from the Shawanga Lodge Rd access to Rt 52, Cragsmoor.  Trail was clear, no other hikers met.  Evidence of the spring fire is still present but new growth is rapidly hiding the damage.

 Missed the yellow access trail on the LP & SRT by Rt. 52.  We were not sure if we just missed the intersection or if the blazes were down.  Added a four mile hike to RT 52 & up 52 to get back to the parking lot.  Ouch!  My feet are sore........   Top is marked OK.

We will check this out again on the next section hike to see what happened.  If you are in the area and planning to use the access trail, be aware of this potential problem at the bottom end.

Trees are starting to turn color but nothing major yet.  Also saw what looks like a new quarry across the valley by the airport.  Sorry to see what looks like a clear cut and strip mine operation.  Angry yellow jackets on the trail.  Got bit or stung once.  It was speculated that they're angry that the season is over and they're about to die.  Therefore they have attack everything to remind people of their existence.

Parking for the Stonetown Circular

Is there any safe place for cars to park for the Stonetown Circular Trail and the others--such as Horse Pond Mountain Trail--that connect to it?  I drove to Stonetown Road, then to the end of White Road, and was shooed off by a hostile resident. There was a dodgy-looking dirt road to the side that might work, but it was not inviting. She also warned me of "three giant bears" in the woods. She was not Goldilocks. So I drove to Lake Riconda, which does have a tiny cul-de-sac at the end of the road, and parked there. That would not hold more than 2 cars comfortably. Both of these locations are marked with a P on the trail map, but they are less than ideal.


Stonetown Circular Parking

I had to laugh when I saw your post because one time I parked on White Rd next to the trailhead for the connector trail and some guy came out and "warned" me about a 600 pound bear up in the woods. I think the residents of White Rd. think they own the road, which clearly they do not. My car was still there when I returned from the hike and I saw no bears (although I'm sure there are some in that neck of the woods).

I have parked at the Stonetown Recreation Complex on Mary Roth Drive  Take County  511 to Westbrook Rd and make 1st right onto Stonetown Rd. The complex will be on your left. The trailhead for the Stonetown Circular Trail is directly across Stonetown Road from the Mary Roth Drive entrance (there is no sign for Mary Roth Dr., however)

You can also park on County  511 at large gravel lot opposite E. Shore Rd. The Highlands Trailis very close to the gravel lot and  will take you up to junction with Horse Pond Mt Trail.

Hope this helps.

Parking at East Shore Rd

the gravel parking lot referred to is CLOSED.   Park Police have closed it off due to illegal swmming in the river further up the road.    Stonetown Rec Complex is the best option for parking.   

Victory Trail

Like the poster before me, I also saw some construction equipment but along the Victory Trail near the lake.  It seems as if there is some work being done and I wish the trail conference would know about this.

Beech Trail interruption

On Sat Sept 5 , we came upon major equipment Bulldozer, etc) and construction like site in MIDDLE OF BEECH TRAIL (near Tiorati Brook Road but on trail). No detour noted though both sides of trail were fine except for big impediment. We scrounged around, crossed over dirt at work site. There may have been a good place to dtour but not marked--not even masking tape,etc.

No one on hike had seen this before in spring or a bit later.

Jane Levenson

Construction Equipment on Beech Trail

The Park is in the process of replacing the bridge over Tiorati Brook on Tiorati Brook Road, just east of the Beech Trail parking area. The old bridge was deemed to be inadequate to handle heavy loads and has already been removed. As a result, Tiorati Brook Road is now closed from a mile east of Tiorati Circle to the Palisades Interstate Parkway.

The heavy machinery that has been placed on the route of the Beech Trail is needed for the construction of the new bridge. We hope temporarily to reroute the Beech Trail around the construction area. This temporary reroute would cross Tiorati Brook on rocks near the Beech Trail parking area. Due to the reduced water flow in the brook (the level of Lake Tiorati has been lowered to facilitate the construction), it is anticipated that crossing the brook on rocks should not be difficult. It is hoped that this temporary reroute will be in place very soon.

Beech Trail interruption

Thanks, Dan. We hoped a  marked detour would be forthcoming.

Harriman State Park

Things are really dry in the park.  I was there last weekend and every stream, spring and brook was bone dry.  I know this usually happens in the late summer but this is the worst I've seen it.  When I tried to get down to one of the lakes it was hard to get to the water as well unless I junped right in.  Better bring extra water along and not plan on spending the night.  I was there a few weeks ago and I was wading through deep water on the Red Cross Trail.  What a difference a few weeks makes!

Pelnor Hollow trailhead

Several days ago, I drove to the end of Pelnor Hollow Road to access the Pelnor Hollow trail.  At the end of the road, there were several signs indicating "No Parking" and "Do Not Enter".  The signs seem to be DEC signs, not from property owners.  The NYNJTC Catskill map does not indicate parking, but it does seem to indicate there is trail access. Assuming that I park elsewhere, how do I access the Pelnor Hollow trail from Pelnor Hollow Road?  Does the "Do Not Enter" sign not apply to hikers?

Pelnor Hollow Trailhead Access

There is no offical parking at the end of the road due to some private land located there.  You can however park elsewhere and hike in and gain access to the trailhead.  We are currently working with the NYS DEC to help resolve the parking issue.  

Minnewaska State Park Trail closures


    Castle Point Carraige Road is closed for restoration from May 2015 until completion...approx. 200 days.


Are wild blueberries ripe yet?

Can anyone who has hiked thru our local Highlands tell me if our wild blueberries are out and ripe? I last hiked a month ago & only saw 'greenies'. Thanks!


I can't answer your question directly with respect to the Highlands, but I can tell you that there are tons of blueberries ready-to-eat in Harriman right now.


My wife and I hiked near Reeves Meadow Visitor Center yesterday and were downing them by the fistful. We made this sacrifice as a service to our fellow hikers, who might otherwise find their clothing stained purple as they passed through trail segments brimming with ripe fruit.


Phil Rizzuto would prefer you called them huckleberries as they are wild.

gypsy moths and blueberries

On June 27, I hiked from the Elk Pen around Island Pond.  Almost every oak and beech tree trunk was covered with dead gypsy moth caterpillars. Another hiker told me that many trees have been defoliated. On June 29, I hiked from Tiorati Brook Road in a big loop east and north, but I did not see a single caterpillar.  I guess this outbreak is localized. Thanks to all the rain, following the Bockey Swamp trail is difficult in spots because of blueberries and ferns covering the trail. Bushes have also made the Red Cross trail pretty narrow as it runs between the Menomenee and the Beech.

Gypsy Moths and Blueberries

In reply to the posted report:  Bockey Swamp Trail is an unmaintained trail.  The report of the narrow conditions on the Red Cross Trail section is appreciated; the assigned maintainers will be notified.  As was noted, the gypsy moths have indeed been active this year resulting in many trees defoliated or left with very diminished and ragged leaves., .

Power Lines Down - White Bar / Victory Trail

My wife and I encountered a worrisome segment of downed power lines yesterday ( 6/7) at the junction of the White Bar and Victory trails in southern Harriman. The lines are touching the ground in some places, though not touching the trail itself. I've reported this to the trail maintainers (I don't know which power company to contact), but hikers through that area, particularly when conditions may be wet, may want to consider avoiding that spot entirely due to the potential for stray voltage.

Lines down are telephone lines

I have contacted John Mack, the West Hudson South Trails Chair, who advises me that both power lines and telephone lines are carried on the poles near the junction of the White Bar and Victory Trails. At one point, both power lines and phone lines were hanging low in this area, but the electric utility has repaired their lines. The wires hanging low or lying on the ground in this area are telephone wires, which are low voltage and not dangerous (unless power lines are also down and touching them--and this is apparently not the case).  The telephone company has also been contacted, but they refuse to repair their lines as long as they remain functional.  The Park is trying to deal with the matter, and it is possible that the phone lines will be rerouted at some point in time.  So, the bottom line is that the low-hanging lines do not pose any danger to hikers in the area.

Blacked out white blazes on the Castle Hike Long Loop?!

My husband and I have done this long loop many, many times without a problem.  Yesterday we were a short distance into the white blazed Todd Lake start of the trail and lost the blazes.  It turns out that the white blazes had been blacked out with paint!  We thought it was vandalism but can't be sure. Almost all of them were blacked out shortly after the start.  Another hiker had tried to scratch off some of the paint in order to expose some white so people wouldn't get lost.  We thank that hiker.  Still, the blazes were blacked out and we ended up having to walk a distance up Skyline Drive (very dangerous) in order to get back to the beginning and take the Castle Hike Short Loop instead.  What is with the blacked out white blazes on the Castle Hike Long Loop?  Anyone know?

Long Path Shelter near Upper Lake Cohasset

Anyone know the current condition of the shelter on the LP right near Upper Lake Cohasset? I believe this is, or was a shelter used by the Girl Scouts at times.

It used to be marked on the map as a shelter, but is now marked as "unmaintained shelter".

Clean? Usable?

Thanks for any info!

Good Shape

For the benefit of others who may be interested in the condition of this shelter, i will answer my own question, since i stayed there last night.

The shelter is in overall excellent shape, very clean (although it could use a sweeping out- i looked for a broom, but didn't see one), with an excellent firepit in the front. 

Unlike most of the lean-tos in Harriman, this shelter has metal walls and a metal roof. No fireplace inside, but  a small fire ring at the opening, and the main firepit in the front. There is also a lot more room than many of the other shelters.

Cascade Brook AT Greenwood Lake

Did a section of the AT yesterday above Greenwood Lake, and when I got to the small clearing near what i think is Cascade Brook around noon there was an unattended fire still burning. I put it out and waited until i was sure it was done.  Odd because it was mid day and i didn't see anyone on the trail.  Overall trail looks really good from 17A south.  Anyone know where the side trail goes from there?  Looks like it heads down the mountiain.  It's somewhat marked for at least 1/4 mile but i didn't look any further than that.  Thanks.

Snakes are Out!

Last time up to Harriman, came upon two snakes.  That was 5/7 and, on 5/3, a person I was with reported seeing a big one.  All three were blacks and all were on different woods roads.  A noteworthy thing about one of the encounters.  I came pretty close before seeing it which made it really upset.  Instead of running off into the brush, like they normally would, it started shaking its tail (like a rattler would), then turned and faced me and wouldn't move.  I had to turn around.

Just a heads up to watch where you're stepping.

Cascade of Slid

Not a trail condition report, but instead a thank you - a big thank you - to the trail maintainer(s) and volunteers who built the bridge spanning the Cascade of Slid. My wife and I happened upon it yesterday while hiking down Stony Brook and up Halfway Mountain. I'd never heard of it before, and it's such an innocuous thing on the map - just a dot and a strange name, Cascade of Slid - but it was barely out of our way, so my wife and I said, What the heck, let's see what it is. We were rewarded for the slight detour with what is the the most captivating scene we've yet encountered in Harriman.


While standing there mid-span on what appeared to be freshly-hammered-in planks, enjoying the cascade of water flowing beneath my feet, it occured to me that a bunch of people had schlepped lot of wood and tools over hill and dale for at least a mile to that spot so that I and others could enjoy the spectacle.


Bravo, builders!


Harriman State Park: Pine Meadow Lake

Just wanted to make everyone aware, there was a brush fire actively burning on the North Side of Pine Meadow Lake in Harriman State Park on Sunday 4/12/15. The Park office was notifed and advised at the time of our call that they were aware of the situation.

The Park did not appear to be actively fighting the fire, but more than likely letting it burn the underbrush on that side of the lake. There are 2 illegal campsites that I know of in that are just east of the old CCC pumphouse. It appeared to have burned quite a bit of area but also seemed to be extinguishing itself at the time, as it seemd to be burning itself into a corner at lakeside.

Trail Conditions by Basha Kill

I am thinking of hiking the Long Path near

Basha Kill this Saturday, April 4. Anywhere within sections 11 and 12 , but I am wondering about conditions with spring snow melt. If it only requires occasional road walking, that is not so bad. I am also wondering about ice and snow conditions in the higher elevations. Can anyone tell me what to expect? Thanks.

Trail Conditions by Basha Kill

I walked those two sections on 22 and 28 March. Still had enough snow in almost all the way, but it was frozen and you could walk well (in some areas is suitable microspikes).

However, section 12 snow was pretty soft, and occasionally you sink. Also areas with a little water.

After these days of high temperature and rainfall, it is possible that the snow that remains is still softer.

I am following the Long Path north. This weekend I hope to walk sections 14 and 15. I have a car. If you also have a car and at some point we agree, we could organize for connecting the start and end of a section .

Sorry for my bad English. You may have guessed that I am translating with google.

1777E Trail Report - 3/29

Yesterday afternoon my wife and I hiked out and back from the parking lot at the Bear Mountain Inn.  We took the 1777E trail south, turned west on Doodletown road, followed it to the S-BM junction and then returned. The trails were virtually snow-free. There was mud in spots, as you would expect, but certainly nothing that wasn't easily avoided.

Fairly close to the trail head, we spotted a group of 8 deer grazing. Along Doodletown Road we also saw what appeared to be bear paw marks in the mud.

New Bridge Above Cascade Of Slid?

In the latest Trail Walker there is a picture of two guys building a bridge, and the caption says it is above the Cascade of Slid. Is this bridge completed? Can you hike the Kakiat trail to this bridge and cross the water?

I did not see any announcement about this on the TC website, which seems odd.

bridge on HTS yes, kakiat NO

the new bridge is above the cascades, making it possible to cross the stream on the orange HTS trail. the bridge which takes the kakiat trail across the stream is still out as of last week. not sure of any rebuilding plans but it is not possible to plan a hike crossing that stream right now. hurricane irene caused destruction of a number of bridges in the area. most have been rebuilt but not that one on the kakiat.

Bridge on Kakiat NO

As Banjolady reported, the Kakiat bridge remains missing, and crossing without it is essentially impossible (and highly discouraged).  The Trail Conference has not been able to obtain permission from the park to replace this bridge.  The desire is to determine a different location that would reduce the probability of a bridge being again flooded out. To  date, though there has been some searching, no such location has been determined.  At this point there is no time frame for replacement, or assurance that it will be replaced.  Thus, for all intents except for a short in and out hike, the Kakiat Trail from 7-Lakes Drive southeast to the former bridge site is currently useless. 

Bridge at Cascade of Slid has been completed

The new bridge across Pine Meadow Brook was recently constructed by volunteers and is open for use by the hiking public.

trail report fri 3/20/15

we did an arden loop from elk pen today fri 3/20. started around 10am going up the AT. it was hard packed snow going up. traction aids necessary, snowshoes not necessary at that time. we went on the ASB/LP  up to the lichen and then the RD, back on the dunning and island pond rd, then out on the ASB.  plenty of bare rock on the ridges of lichen and RD. pretty easy going on the dunning. it started snowing around noontime. on island pond road the snow was pretty deep still but not terrible.  we got on the asb which was snowy but manageable until we got to the steep part where the trail gets very narrow going along the edge of the cliff. by that point the snow had covered up the very icy conditions on that section of trail. full crampons and an ice axe would have been helpful.  the rest of the way down the ASB was very slippery, ice under snow and the snow was so sticky that it balled up and rendered microspikes rather ineffective.
I strongly suggest that hikers avoid the ASB between island pond Rd and the elk pen until spring REALLY arrives—it is very dangerous right now. conditions are expected to moderate in the next few days so it could all change soon but be careful out there!!

AT from 17a-Graymoor

I just found out that I'll have some free time the weekend before easter (April2nd to 5th).  I wanted to attempt to cover some ground on the AT.  Has anyone been up there that can say if they think the trail will be passable without snowshoes in 2 weeks?  If not, I might have to look for another place to go further south.



AT in NY

snow is melting fast. we might get another couple inches tomorrow but i would bet that snowshoes wont be necessary. this week the trails are wet and sometimes icy but definitely passable without snowshoes. bring gaiters and waterproof boots though

great,thanks for the update!

great,thanks for the update!  here on long island, at sea level, the trails are all covered in about 3 inches of ice.  I was thinking about postponing it but it sounds like I might not have to pass on my trip after all.