Hiking Trail Conditions Forum

Mud? Ice? High water at stream crossings? This is the place to let the hiking community know what you encountered, where and when (be as precise as possible). Suggestion: Make the trail or park name your subject.

To report serious trail problems that need Trail Conference attention, go here. Problems reported here get to the maintainers fast and reliably. Problems reported on the forum below help your fellow hikers avoid problem areas until they get fixed, but not all maintainers read this regularly so also use the problem report form.

To report illegal trail use go here.

Silvermine Road conditions

Did the Silvermine Lake Loop yesterday.  Conditions were excellent, with the trail very packed down, 10-18 inch base.  We wore the spikes but left the snowshoes in the car.

All went well until we were on the way back, opposite shore of the lake, following Silvermine Road.  The packed down trail was right next to the shoreline, then it turned left and went to the water's edge.  And that was it.  Ahead, Silvermine Road from the middle of the lakeshore all the way to 7 Lakes Drive, was untouched.

We post holed that entire distance with snow coming up to our knees before emerging onto 7 Lakes Drive.

Lesson learned - if you do have snowshoes, just wear them.  Even if the trail is packed down, it's still fine to walk it in snowshoes.  And you'll be prepared if suddenly, you actually need them.

Trail conditions Ramapo-Dunderberg Trail

Hey everyone!

I'm suppose to co lead a hike this weekend and we were planning on doing some hiking in Harriman. Our plan was to start from the Tuxedo train station and take the Ramapo Dunderberg Trail to Tuxedo-Mt Ivy to a Blue Disk. Anyone know the trail conditions in this area. Thanks so much!

Trail conditions in Harriman

I was in Harriman yesterday.  There is currently about a foot of snow on the ground.  Some trails are well packed and can easily be negotiated without snowshoes, but others may not be packed, and snowshoes may be necessary.  Also, traction aids (such as MicroSpikes) are highly recommended, especially for steep climbs and descents, such as the Blue Disc Trail up to the top of Almost Perpendicular.

Of course, a storm is predicted for Sunday, which may bring ice and/or rain to the area.  This will change the conditions significantly.

Condition of Timp-Torne & R-D Trails and West Mountain Shelter

Can any comment on the depth of snow on the Timp-Torne, and R-D trails starting from Anthony Wayne Rec Center as well as the West Mountain Shelter? I am planning an overnight there this weekend. Can this be done with microspikes but without snowshoes?

 

Thanks,

Deep snow on trails

I did a hike yesterday at Harriman on the 7 Hills trail.  Really deep snow on the mountain tops, about 2 feet.  Lower parts of the trail were well trodden and easy walking, though.  I'd recommend light traction devices for going up and down but you could probably get away with none on the flatter parts.  Myself, I had Yax Trax light on one foot and nothing on the other and it was okay.  No ice on the trail, just snow.

It's serious winter in Harriman this year, maybe the most I've seen.  Lake Sebago looked like a vast snowfield.  In fact, I forgot it was supposed to be a lake.  Nice blue ice formations hanging off rock cliffs along 7 Lakes.

Parks Dept did a great job keeping 7 Lakes clear, not just the road, but the shoulders!  That was so important yesterday for those of us that like to do winter bicycling and running.

RE: Deep snow on trails

Hi, thanks for the bulletin!

I was thinking of doing an overnight at one of the lean-to's in Harriman next weekend. Do you think those areas are unreachable at this point? If we don't get any more snowfall, are they likely to be cleared up by then?

SNOW

1/27/15  though we didnt get the blizzard of the century,  we  do have lots of nice snow in harriman today--went xc skiing from sebago and conditions were lovely, some powder on a good base.  some people were using snowshoes last weekend. apparently the local ski areas are open --fahnestock and the gunks...and most of the tri state area should have some decent xc skiing and hiking...

Harriman conditions 1/21

Did the Silvermine Lake loop with a quick extension up & down Black Mountain for the viewpoint.

The route was around 75% solid ice on the trail, around 2 inches thick.  Seems that there was snow on the trail, then rain fell on top of the snow, then temps dropped before any of that could melt & the result was ice all over trails which don't usually accumulate water.

 

YakTrax or MicroSpikes were essential.  There was no way this hike could be done without the extra traction.

 

I'm assuming after today's snow that conditions will be similar, though the ice will be hidden under the new snow, making for even more challenging hiking.

Harriman - Big Hill Shelter parking

In response to the question posed on January 13:

Route 106 within Rockland County is not closed in winter.  There is a fine roadside parking area along the south side of the road where the SBM crosses, as shown on the Trail Conference Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails Map.  This location is my recommendation though this is not a Park road and there is no assurance that the parking area will be cleared. 

Parking areas also exist on Route 75, Call Hollow Road, at approximately the same distance from the shelter as from 106.  These are also not along a park road and their condition is less desirable, particularly for overnight parking- close to the edge of a highly traveled road and questionable condition of the lot, among the considerations. 

There is no parking along Lake Welch Drive where the Long Path crosses (or elsewhere on the Drive).  Note too, that St. John's Road is a park road and the Park rule to not park along Park Roads is commonly enforced.  The St. John's Church lot is signed as no-parking and the church is serious about it. 

Harriman - Big Hill Shelter

Can someone advise as to the current (winter) parking availability near the subject Shelter off Rte 98, 75 and/or 106? Is parking available close to where the S_BM Trail crosses Rte 106?

Realizing the current parking availability, what is the most direct route to the Shelter?

Finally, if anyone has been there lately, any info on trail conditions or availability of water in the area would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Bob

Mohonk Cross Country Ski Conditions, 1/09/2015

Trails are closed for XC skiing and shoeshoes.  About 2.5 inches of snow fell overnight.  That is the total amount on the ground at this time.  Still not enough to ski yet, please check back later for updated information.

Trail Conditions for the Gunks

Not  enough snow for skiing...  Plenty of cold weather.

re: hiking conditions

Anybody been up to Harriman and/or Hudson Highlands lately?  I'm just wondering if there's snow or ice on the paths so I know what shoes I can wear.  Thanks.

Hiking conditions in Harriman

I was in Harriman yesterday, and there was essentially no snow or ice.  However, some snow probably fell there today, so if you are going tomorrow (Sunday), you might want to bring MicroSpikes or Stabilicers.

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2015 January 02nd

The ground is still bear in the "Gunks".    No cross country skiing or snowshoeing.  Just walking or hiking.  It is still cold with a "little" wind.

2014 New Years Eve.

Still no snow in the Gunks for snowshoeing or Crosscountry Skiing.

cross country skiing in Ulster County, NY

There is no cross country skiing at minnawaska or mohonk.  Just hiking!!

 

Merry Christmas.

Flood Watch

Flood Watch for Ulster County, NY. 

Hurley Rail Trail

Hurley Rail Trail

    Great afternoon walk. No Ice  or Snow on the trail.

SRT- Otisville to Wurtsboro Ridge

12/23/2014

Hiked this section on Sunday the 21st.  Path was clear and well marked.  No snow, very overcast.  Bashakill Wildlike Refuge was scenic.  Look forward to seeing this place when it is green.  However, it was good to see the place with the leaves down.  Allowed for a better view of the overall lake and marsh.  Saw a juvenile bald eagle and its roost.  Lots of small bird mobs (chickadee, slate juncos, woodpecker, brown creeper and nuthatch) along the way. 

Ended up using the old LP acess to exit at Shawanga Lodge Rd.  Sorry to see the trail head on the road has been eliminated.  This is a good trail for access on and off the Ridge.  This should still be a marked public access, even if the parking is limited.

Mohonk trails

The trails at mohonk are bare of snow, as of this writing  12/22/2014.

Winter has started, Get out ans hike.

Mohonk trails

Yes, Its less than 90 days till Spring.

Mohonk Trails

Thank you.

Route 106 closures

 

Route 106 within Orange County, between 7-Lakes Drive and Route 17, is closed for the winter season.  This road has been abandoned by the county and is now a park road.  It is expected to be closed for the same period as  are  several other park roads, from December 1 to April 1, as signed on the various park roads affected. This section of 106 is also subject to wet and icy conditions and is difficult to keep safe.   Visitors to the park may find that some of the closed roads are partially cleared of snow, though signed closed and partially blocked..  The clearing may be only minimal and is for official use only.  The closings are to be obeyed by the general public. Note also that even 7-Lakes Drive may not always be immediately cleared during and following a snow storm, particularly overnight.  

Lots of changes near Lake Skannatati

I hiked from the Lake Skannatati parking lot today and found a brand new trail.  A man was building a wooden kiosk that I guess will have maps and TC posters in it.  He said his firm had built the new segment of the Arden-Surebridge trail that begins with stone steps at the parking lot.  It now takes a route that is parallel to Seven Lakes, and avoids the top of the hill.  As a result, the Red Cross trail starts in a new place.  Are the changes already on TC maps?  If not, when will they appear?

Later, I found that the (unofficial) Bottlecap trail has been reblazed beginning at Seven Lakes and heading west.  Whoever did this apparently had a saw and cleared many trees that blocked the trail, as well as nailing up new bottlecaps.

Someone with a chainsaw has cleared the old woodsroad that links the Bottlecap trail to Times Square.

A-SB & Red Cross Changes Will Be On New Map

The Trail Conference is finishing work on a revision to the Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails map set, and the trail changes in this area that affect the Arden-Surebridge Trail and Red Cross Trail will be on the new map (among other trail relocations, other adjustments, and the introduction of trail mileage numbers along the trails).  Look for the new maps in early 2015!

~Jeremy, TC Cartographer

Not on maps

The changes are not on the most recent version of the Harriman map set (2013). If these are official, approved changes, then hopefully the TC will create a free printable close up map of that area with the changes on it for hikers to keep with the map set.

Thank you for the info!!!

changes near skanatati

the relocation of the trail has completely avoided the best part of the ASB which is the nice viewpoint over the lakes. i am sure people will keep making their own trail to the viewpoint...from what i heard, the Park hired an independent trail company to make the changes. I have not heard that the TC approved of the changes but they will most likely be on the next map set which will be coming out soon. i have also noticed bottle caps marking the path to camp thendara from the red cross trail east of skanatati, i think they cross 7 lakes dr too.

maybe john mack will chime in and fill in more of the facts here....

Why?

After so many years of working with the TC, why would the park hire an independent trail company to re-route a trail?

The ASB rerouting

 

The man I saw at work on the kiosk was from this company

http://www.tahawustrails.com/index.html

and he said that the overlook of Lake Skannatati was "sensitive habitat," and that the changes were to keep people away from that area.

 

JDB

Rte 106

Is Rte 106 going to be closed this winter regardless of conditions? If so, when does it close and when will it open?

Thanks.

Bob

Snow on Hunter Mountain

Was up on Hunter Mountain in the Catskills this weekend hiking the western end of Devils Path. There was anywhere from 5-16 inches of snow in spots on the mountain. Parked at Diamond Notch Road and hiked out to the parking lot at Notch Lake. There was still plenty of running water in the area, and it had warmed up quite a bit by Sunday morning, which made the hike out slightly precarious. 6 inches of melted/ing snow made for some pretty slick conditions even with microspikes. 

Overall though Trails were relatively compact and snowshoes weren't necessary.

Harriman - Dunderberg Mtn Trail Conditions

Does anyone know what the trail (e.g. Timp Thorne, Ramapo Dunderburg) conditions are like around Dunderberg Mtn.since it snowed last week? Was there much accumulation, is it still there, any ice?

Thanks.

Bob

Trail Condations

Does any post trail condations here??

Trail Condantions

I hopr they do.

Snow in the Gunks.

Snow in the Gunks.

Watch out for Oktoberfest at Bear Mt Inn area - bad traffic

See http://www.visitbearmountain.com/calendar.htm for dates and times.

Problems generally begin north of Anthony Wayne on PIP and the circle at the Bridge from any direction.

Harriman - Jackie Jones Fire Tower

Can you climb the stairs to this fire tower?

Jackie Jones Fire Tower

This fire tower is open to the public, and one may climb the stairs to the top.

Dirt bikes in Harriman

Experience indicates that the police can do little unless the perpetrators are caught in the act.  Most helpful is to contact the New York State Park Police at 845 786 2781 immediately when observing the act, if possible.  Useful information is on what trail, what locaton, such as what is the nearest trail juncture.  As the reporter apparently knows. there is only one bike trail in Harriman/Bear Mountain Parks.  Powered vehicles are not legal off road anywhere in these parks. 

Dirt Bike in Harriman

On TUesday 9/16 posted on Instagram tagged #harriman, it appeared on the myharriman.com website in their instagram section. I called the user out and he deleted my comment and removed the harriman tag, but not before I took pictures to document it.  I'm having trouble including the pictures here but I can send via emai if someone wants to pursue this further. The posters name is Curtis Vriesema, park police should locate this guy and pay him a visit.

Dumped Tent

Yesterday I saw a rather large tent, folded up with its poles placed on top, sitting beside the TMI trail, about a quarter of the way between Claudius SMith Den and the Dutch Doctor Lean-to (heading east).  I am assuming that someone brought this out and decided it was too heavy to carry and left it there.  It's a very strange place to place this.  They should have known that this would be a heavy thing to carry on trails.  Another thing I noticed yesterday is a proliferation of fire rings in that general area of the park.

Harriman Problems

Responding to Harriman Problems posted September 8th:

Previous reponses were on the mark.  The TC does not, and is not allowed to, maintain the woods roads. This is in accordance with park rules as posted in various kiosks that users are to keep to marked trails: these roads are not in that category.  As was mentioned, blockage of ATVs is a worthy consideration: usage of powered vehicles off road in the park is prohibited.  

The supposition that the square concrete structures were part of CCC-era is confirmed in Harriman Trails, A Guide and History, William J. Myles and Daniel Chazin, 3rd Edition, Published by the New York-New Jersey Trail Conference, P. 77.  After noting that the traill passes the foundation of a Civilian Conservation Corps building, the following paragraph includes "The Pine Meadow Trail now crosses the road and follows the north shore of the lake. For much of the way it follows old water and sewer pipes, usually buried but sometimes placed above ground on a rock causeway, which serves today as the trail route.This pipeline, and others around Lakes Wanoksink and Minsi, were built in 1934 to service the camps which were to be built on the lakes.  The pipelines all terminate in a large (but never used) concrete septic tank on Christie Brook."  

The trash situation is a problem of long standing.  PVPatrick's reply that "Obviously, the persons that left the trash are responsible.  But anyone could help take it away." is of course correct.  It is a bit much to expect the trail maintainers to haul out all of this trash.  The shortest distance to carry the trash to a roadside for pickup  is somewhat greater than two miles.  Possibly a volunteer team could be assembled to bag the trash and haul it out.  If coordinated and arranged in advance there is also the possibility that the park would haul it out if bagged and hauled to an agreed upon location accessible by the park.        Removing the trash would temporarily improve the situation but there is no reason to believe that these blocks will not continue to be used for depositing trash. At this time no action plan has been defined. If many of we hikers were to take just a moderate sized bag and haul out some amount when using the trail, the situation could be much improved. Perhaps enough people will see our joint comments and follow this suggestion.

trash in harriman and broken glass

in early summer, may i think--there was a huge pile of trash over by pine meadow lake where the trail meets the road before the dam. one day i saw a ranger there hammering up a "no swimming" sign. he had a big truck right there. he said he is not taking away trash that day, he was just putting up the signs so if anyone drowned they couldnt say they didnt know swimming was illegal. apparently someone did take the trash away but then more piles appeared as the summer went on.... there is a small hand lettered sign that says "please take out your trash". not nearly as big or eye catching as the "no swimming" sign... another thing that irks me is the broken glass, lots of it near the trailheads, near the lakes and also on the early part of the blue disc trail near johnsontown rd and on the white bar. people bring bottles in and smash them?? it is horrible to see this broken glass there and especially if one has dogs..luckily most of the park is lovely and very clean, just a few spots like this.one of the park officials said that minnewaska and the gunks areas dont have these problems. the good news is that i havent seen fishing line around lately as much as earlier in the summer....

Lots of trash at Terrace Pond

We did this hike today

http://www.nynjtc.org/hike/terrace-pond-loop-stephens-road#comment-4518

 

and it was a good hike, with quite a bit of rock scrambling. The trails and blazes were in good condition, but it was sad to see bags full of trash, and more trash scattered around them, on three sides of Terrace Pond. Whose responsibility is it to clean up this park? The rest of the area seems clean.

Jonathan

Terrace pond trash

Jonathan.......Our Trail maintainers and Trail supervisors for this trail area have an almost full time job attempting to keep the Terrace Pond area clear of garbage. The Superintendent and Staff of Wawayanda State park are fully aware of this problem and make regular trips up there to bag and bring down this trash.

At this point we can only suggest that if you bring it IN.....Please Bring it OUT, even if it's not your garbage. It's takes all of us as hiking enthusiasts to do our part if we wish to keep our forests clean, natural and enjoyable......Thanks to all of you that have this same ethic.

Bob & Estelle

I often wish that this forum

I often wish that this forum had a "Like" button or a "Thank you" button and if it did I would click on it now.

Harriman problems

About two weeks ago, I hiked in Harriman, using the Woodtown Road to go South, and came back on the "Old Turnpike."  Not far from where the LP crosses the turnpike and ascends to the shelter where it meets the SBM, I found a large tree that had fallen across the turnpike and almost completely blocked it, trunk and branches.  Does the TC maintain this road and others?  Or does someone else, or is this an act of God that makes it harder for the ATVs and I should be glad for it?

 

Today, Sept 8, I walked around Pine Meadow Lake on the PM trail.  The north shore has a long series of square concrete structures that I think were part of the CCC-era water system.  3 of them had a lot of trash in them.  Maybe 2-3 kitchen trash bags full.  Who should clean this up?

Jonathan

Obviously, the persons that

Obviously, the persons that left the trash are responsible. But anyone could help take it away.