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Estelle's picture

Further information:  We have notified NJ Fish and Wildlife who administer Wildcate Ridge.  they will increase enforcement patrol to monitor the parking lot, we have made that request as well to Rockaway Township.   As I said, trash throughout our trail system is a huge problem and we appreciate all hikers and volunteers who help remove that trash.  If you are there again and encounter much trash, you may notify us and we will get volunteers in there to clean it up. (I have contacted you privately, feel free to respond directly to my email.)   We also advised of the bat cave signs being removed or destroyed.     State of NJ has a new initiative to combat dumping on State Lands and request notification be made per this:  Please encourage your members to contact us if they witness ongoing illegal activities at any of our Wildlife Management Areas. Our 24 hr. dispatch number is 1-877-WARNDEP.   thank you again for your report and for caring. 
jriordan1985's picture

I'd also like to replace the informational sign @ the batcave platform that was destroyed by vandals. Any advice?
hiker4414's picture

The Trail Conference is failing its mission to protect trails and trail lands. Afraid to put a little pressure on Park officials. Not even trying. Thanks to the TC, members have to take vigilante tire spiking action? Criminal, but thank you Gup. 
joerichkus's picture

If anyone is in doubt as to the physcial damage to trails (to say nothing about the noise pollution that removes all serenity and ability to hear bird songs and calls) from ATV's they need to take a hike on Mt. Beacon.  It is riddled with wide trails from ATVs, noisy, and saturated with invasive plant species as a result of the intrusiveness.  The ban must be strictly enforced throughout Harriman State Park.  Hiking trails and ATV's cannot coexist there.
banjolady's picture

patrick i looked for a license plate on the last ATVs i saw but there were none--does that mean they werent registered and illegal? i called the park police right away
thegup's picture

We had a problem with ATVs in the woods behind our development which is miles and miles of state protected land bordering Westechester and Putnam and is littered with trails.  The cops shrugged their shoulders so a few of us got a half dozen tire shredders and camoed them at strategic points.  This ended the problem quickly.  One guy had to leave his ATV behind as it was impossible to move with 4 ruined tires  stuck in a foot of mud.  Its still there rusting with a sign as a warning to others. It's nice and quiet now except for the occasional pack of coyotes tearing up a fawn or someone's pet but that is just nature doing its thing which we can all accept. Recreational machines don't belong in the woods.    
PVPatrick's picture

Interesting thegup, but what exactly is a tire shredder?
tree188's picture

I believe he means "caltrops" see wiki about this
Michael K7's picture

I thought maybe he meant one of these:     They sell simpler versions that are flexible, easy to carry. and light, so i could imagine laying one across the trail, and covering it with leaves...
PVPatrick's picture

NY State DMV requires all ATVs to be registered and have a plate attached to the rear of the vehicle.  http://dmv.ny.gov/sites/default/sites/default/files/legacy_sites/default/files/broch/c29.htm
hiker4414's picture

Georgette, you have ducked both questions.  1)  Is there an email address for the Park for use by the public? If not, will the TC ask that one be set up? If the TC won't ask, please let us know.    2) Will the TC advocate to keep ATVs out of the Park? We have heard no news in your Trail Walker on this topic in a very long time. Clearly with the technology available today many hikers "think it would be relatively easy, if so inclined, for the park police/rangers to set up a dragnet one weekend to nab the offenders and make an example of them.  Put them to work fixing the trails, planting trees, etc." If the TC won't put pressure on the Park, nothing will get accomplished. 
hiker4414's picture

I note the Trail Conference has made no response to the concerns posted below. If the TC does not intend to address the issue, please do let us know. I intend to hold my membership renewal until I hear from you.
Georgette Weir's picture

  These reports have been forwarded to the volunteers and staff who work in Harriman.  Illegal activity in our parks is best reported immediately to Parks Police, in our area: 845-786-2781. Short of that, illegal activity can also be reported via a web form that goes immediately to the appropriate volunteers or staff: http://www.nynjtc.org/webform/illegal-usage-problem-report Thank you all.
banjolady's picture

ok i just need to rant about an issue that really bothers me. last month around turkey hill lake we saw a bunch of guys coming toward us with fishing rods and lines, said hello pleasantly and passed on. a few hundred yards up the trail we were all of a sudden caught in a web of fishing line, the dogs were NOT HAPPY --i was with a friend and we each had 2 dogs and none of us could move. luckily i had a handy knife tool and was able to cut some of the line and free ourselves up but it was very upsetting. now today 6/1 we found a makeshift rod from a stick with fishing line and A HOOK left on the rocks at island pond!!!! my friend's dogs got caught in the fishing line and luckily managed to avoid the hook. please if you all see people that have fishing gear please tell them to keep track of their fishing line and hooks and not leave them lying around. it can have disastrous results for wildlife as well as people and dogs. 
banjolady's picture

saw another one today, i was coming down the pine meadow trail toward the EQ center on the power line and there was one way ahead of me. either the atv rider had a dog or a dog was chasing along side the ATV. i couldnt get near enough to take a picture or report it.it was heading SW on the power line toward the sherwood path...maybe they come in from there on 202
banjolady's picture

i was hiking with my dogs in the ladentown area a few weeks ago and all of a sudden heard a huge VROOOM....  i was on an unmarked trail/woods road. i got the camera out and took pictures of 2 atvs.... i called the park police immediately and told them the location. i believe the # is on the maps. 845 786 2781. the regular park # is rarely answered and not on weekends. i emailed with a park official who told me that they are investigating and thanked me for the photos. i do not have a public email yet to send such photos but i can ask next time our committee meets w the park. the atvs really trash the trails and they are not allowed on the woods roads either....perhaps they think because the trails are not marked in certain areas that they can bring their atvs there
Michael K7's picture

About a month ago, i passed some guys riding mountain bikes on the TMI trail, also near Ladentown- those aren't allowed either, correct?
PVPatrick's picture

Mt bikes are permitted only on the Horn loop by Anthony Wayne in Harriman State Park.  Although I understand another mixed use trail is being considered somewhere between Harriman and Sterling Forest.
PVPatrick's picture

Ive seen these ATV riders dozens of times in that section (around reservoirs!) of Harriman. Clearly these are local people.  You would think it would be relatively easy, if so inclined, for the park police/rangers to set up a dragnet one weekend to nab the offenders and make an example of them.  Put them to work fixing the trails, planting trees, etc. Also, ATVs, if they are registered properly, have a licence plate on the rear of the vehice which should help identify the offender.
hiker4414's picture

Why can't the Trail Conference publish a phone number and email address to report illegal trail use directly to the Palisades Interstate Park police and rangers? If the Park received cell calls or emails and photo reports promptly when ATVs are seen, the rangers/police might be able to take action. The rangers do have ATVs and do ride them. If the Park knew the public was unhappy with ATVs destroying trails and beautiful woods roads, it would be a lot more effective than stale reports forwarded a day or more later by the Trail Conference. Has anyone ever had any real feedback from reports to the TC? Does anyone think that reports filed with the TC as a middleman have been effective? When was the last time you heard the Trail Conference was honestly trying to make an issue over illegal trail use?