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Mud? Ice? High water at stream crossings?

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flyguy's picture

FYI - you can still take the train to Ramsey - Than grab the bus NB it stops at Tuxedo & Harriman Train stations
Michael K7's picture

Since i'm travelling from Manhattan anyway, it probably makes sense to just take the bus all the way from Port Authority, instead of taking the train to Ramsey then switching. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Michael K7's picture

I always took the train to these places to hike in Harriman, but obviously that won't be an option for quite some time. For anyone who's used bus service to get to these locations, can you give specifics as to where the actual bus stops are? The old Harriman map showed a stop right by the entrance to the train station (right at the trailhead for the Sapphire Trail), but the newer Harriman map does not have this stop on it- anyone knowif the bus still stops there? For Tuxedo and Sloatsburg, are the bus stops right near the train stations as well? Thanks in advance for any help!
Estelle's picture

A bridge washout has closed Clinton Rd in West Milford.  Trail access is ONLY from P1 or P7 on Clinton Rd. Access is okay from P9 on Paradise Rd and P8 on Stephens Rd. Clinton Rd is once again opened to traffic.
flyguy's picture

9-3 / I hiked in from Rt 6 (Long Mtn Parking area) on the LP (SOBO) to the Tin Can Shelter lots of  Blowdowns next to the trail with some small ones on the trail - Theres only (2) that couldn't be passed but can be walked around just before you get to Surbridge mine road & the swamp from there I picked up the AT (NOBO) lots of new features showing around the Mines area (for those that know the area you"ll see what I'm talking about if you get out there soon) as for Trail conditions the tailings section is all washed out & the hill you hit just after the mine needs some help ............ other than that it's all good walking from there to 7 lakes dr. took the Menomine tr back to Rt 6 ,,,,,,,,,,,, No issues there either / Covered 13 miles of trail today  7 lakes Dr from the Long Mtn Circle to Tioroti has been opened    2 Dogs 
lunatic's picture

Does anyone know if the trail heads at Tuxedo are accessible? Specifically wondering if I can cross the bridge by the train station to get to the R-D trail (now that bus service has been restored).  The Tuxedo website states they were hoping to open the bridge last night, but it hasn't been updated since.  Planning on going out for a couple of days and will update here when I return. Thanks, -Lunatic A.T. GA-ME 2009
ron6788's picture

Just a few updates as I went to Harriman-Bear Mt Park to hike on 8-31-11.  The parking lots at Bear Mt and at Anthony Wayne were both open and no fee was charged.  I hiked the AT, RD, and the 1779 at, and, around Bear Mt and south about 5 miles.  Except for some newly fallen trees across the trails and a lot of small twigs and small branches, the trails were fine.  (I didn't need to cross any foot bridges.) There was a police line across the AT, near 7 Lakes Dr, heading south, that said closed to the public due to downed power lines.  However, an AT thru-hiker who went through the block said he saw no evidence of anything wrong nor any personnel. As stated by others, 7 Lakes Dr, Rt 106, and Arden Valley Rd are closed.
msedlak's picture

dmperkins74's picture

Hey y'all, I'm looking to hike from Culvers Gap to Delaware Water Gap on the AT in a couple of weeks. I was wondering if anyone knows if the springs are reliable lately in that section. Any input appreciated.
Hucklb's picture

I'd be concerned with too much water now after Irene.  Any damage on the AT in the DWG?  Planning to do my first backpacking trip from Dunfield Creek  up to Sunfish Pond (with kids which is why it's short) next week.  Any help woudl be appreciated.
msedlak's picture

sneezehorse's picture

The Turquoise Trail is actually pretty easy to see, you probably didn't get far enough. The undergrowth to the left of Tammany Fire Road is really thick, so the opening is pretty prominent. State Forest Fire Service reportedly is going to be doing an exercise up there to completely clear off Mt. Tammany Fire Road, I believe for fireline construction practice.Note also that there is an unblazed trail that goes to the right. This is called Mountain Trail and it descends to Camp Taylor, and it is private. They do not like hikers using this trail to access the park. When Turquoise hits Sunfish Pond Fire Road (which my grandfather originally staked out the route for when Yards Creek was constructed), it follows the fire road to the left, then turns right. It's an obscure turn, so watch for your turn blazes!
tree188's picture

8/12/2011 Just finished hiking the LP from Sam's Point through Vernooy Falls/Peekamoose access over the last few weeks. Sam's Point through Minnewaska State Park absolutely fantastic and definitly some of the best areas along the Path. However, the Path is rapidly being overgrown and needs some serious clearing. The blueberry plants in particular are overtaking the trail and its sometimes hard to see the path. This is a factor mainly because the path in this area is not a smooth path but has lots of nice ankle twisting rocks! VeederKill Falls was unbelieveably beautiful. I look forward to returning there again some day. Also of interest was the observation of a 5' timber rattlesnake north of Rainbow Falls (Rainbow trickle was more approriate with the heat and lack of rain up until recently). Really big and really cool. No coiling or rattling, just moving along the rocks' flat exposed sections of the trail. The rattle was very distinct at the tail's end and a white color. We left it alone and it left us alone, just the way it should be. Hike from Jenny Lane to the Upper Cherrytown Rd. DEC access lot determined that the previously closed bridge in Kerhonkson (the town named after a bad nasal condition) has been fully repaired, is open and makes getting to ClayHill Rd. easier. The blazes need some re-painting alone this entire section.   The section from Upper Cherrytown Rd. to the Peekamoose Mtn parking access lot was nice this time of year. The weather yesterday was no higher than 69 F and a constant breeze kept us cool. Those Catskills mountains look awfully big! We noted that many of the plastic blazes have either fallen on the ground or in some cases look like they have been pulled off trees. One has to be mindful of where the trail is going because of this. Vernooy Falls was a pretty site as well.   Finally, I have noted on the Trail Conference maps for Sam's Point and Minnewaska State Park that the Path may be relocated to head north to Kerhonkson or Napahanoch sooner rather than pass through the main area of Minnewaska SP. After hiking along the numerous cliffs, views and swimming at Lake Awosting on a hot summer's day at the end of the day's hike, I believe this would be a terrible idea. Minnewaska has far too much to offer to relocate the Path from this area. Please don't change the Path in Minnewaska, it's one of the Path's best areas to date, in my opinion, as a potential end-to-ender, hiking the length of this trail.  
srtmaintainer's picture

The future Long Path will leave VerKeederkill Falls and follow the High Point Trail. The High Point Trail has many awesome views along with a great 360 degree view on top of High Point. The LP will continue on the Berrypicker Trail with its awesome views too. Upon reaching Smiley Carriageway the Long Path thru hikers will have the option to camp in Witch's Hole State Forest which has a very reliable spring. From Smiley the Long Path will follow the Mine Hole Trail and a newly constructed connector to Berm Road. The Mine Hole Trail is awesome too and includes Panther's Rock. Please keep in mind that the route I just described is in Minnewaska State Park and extremely awesome. Beyond Minnewaska the Long Path will follow a few back roads with little traffic for under 3 miles to the Vernooykill State Forest. Plans are in place to route the Long Path through Vernooykill State Forest and meet the present LP at Vernooykill Falls. This will reduce the present 13 mile road walk to under 3 miles. I also have hiked the entire Long Path and originally had the same thought as you about not moving the trail. I am presently working on the reroute and can tell you that it is an overall improvement to the trail. Andy Garrison Co Chair of the Long Path Committee. 
LindaC's picture

I wish the Long Path was used more.  We almost never see another hiker even in some lovely sections like up to Torrey Memorial.  In a couple of weeks when it gets a little cooler we were planning to go on the section from Rt 32 up to Schunemunk.  Any idea what shape that section is in?  From Rt. 32 it looks very overgrown.  
srtmaintainer's picture

Hi Linda,  We only had one complaint in that area near where the trail leaves the rail bed and enters the woods. That has been taken care of already. Are you hiking the entire long Path or just certain sections. We are constantly working to improve the Long Path. Be shore to use our online guide as the printed guide is no longer reliable in many places.  Andy Garrison Long Path Committee
LindaC's picture

Thanks Andy.  We are section hiking the entire long path.  We started last winter and then took a bit of break this summer but hoping to get back soon.  We didn't do the AT route that is recommended for thru hikers but have just continued on the Long Path all the way.  I am definitely using the updated online guide - very helpful.  Thank you for that resource.  I know that soon we are coming to a long road walk but I heard something about trying to reroute some of that.  Is that true?  
donweise's picture

The person who ran all the trails in Harriman is Todd Jennings. The Trail Conference is also publishing a comprehensive new guide to loop hikes -- and trail runs! -- called Circuit Hikes in Harriman. It will contain appx. 35 chapters of loops, covering Harriman and Bear Mtn parks from top to bottom. It's the first ever TC book to include trail runs. Runs make use of woods roads and less erosion prone trails (to be environmentally sensitive make for a smoother trail running experience). I (Don Weise) wrote it, Dan Chazin is editing, Todd is field-checking runs, and Bob Fuller is field checking hike chapters. 
PVPatrick's picture

I respectfully ask, is the inference here that trail running is somehow less environmentally friendly than hiking and therefore best relegated to woods roads to avoid damage to single track trails?
donweise's picture

Thanks to PVPatrick for your post. As I ran and wrote the trail runs for this book, it became apparent to me that every loop in Harriman would involve plenty of singletrack and no shortage of challenges, to even the seasoned trail runner. Harriman is a rocky place and its wonderful paths were laid out with the hiker (as opposed to the trail runner) in mind. Never fear, you'll find a boatload of singletrack and the the woods roads will come as a welcome respite, when you get them. The big challenges for me were identifying run routes that the reader could (a) successfully navigate at a faster rate of speed, and (b) complete while maintaining an appropriately elevated heart rate for a run. Every loop contains its share of steep, rough, and downright nasty little sections...but unlike the hike loops, trail loops try to "keep you running," at least as much as terrain permits. Hope that answers your question.