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Mud? Ice? High water at stream crossings?

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Michael K7's picture

About a month ago, i passed some guys riding mountain bikes on the TMI trail, also near Ladentown- those aren't allowed either, correct?
PVPatrick's picture

Mt bikes are permitted only on the Horn loop by Anthony Wayne in Harriman State Park.  Although I understand another mixed use trail is being considered somewhere between Harriman and Sterling Forest.
PVPatrick's picture

Ive seen these ATV riders dozens of times in that section (around reservoirs!) of Harriman. Clearly these are local people.  You would think it would be relatively easy, if so inclined, for the park police/rangers to set up a dragnet one weekend to nab the offenders and make an example of them.  Put them to work fixing the trails, planting trees, etc. Also, ATVs, if they are registered properly, have a licence plate on the rear of the vehice which should help identify the offender.
hiker4414's picture

Why can't the Trail Conference publish a phone number and email address to report illegal trail use directly to the Palisades Interstate Park police and rangers? If the Park received cell calls or emails and photo reports promptly when ATVs are seen, the rangers/police might be able to take action. The rangers do have ATVs and do ride them. If the Park knew the public was unhappy with ATVs destroying trails and beautiful woods roads, it would be a lot more effective than stale reports forwarded a day or more later by the Trail Conference. Has anyone ever had any real feedback from reports to the TC? Does anyone think that reports filed with the TC as a middleman have been effective? When was the last time you heard the Trail Conference was honestly trying to make an issue over illegal trail use?   
Michael K7's picture

is in rough shape from the trailhead in Tuxedo to the point where it meets the White Bar Trail. Numerous muddy/swampy sections, as folks are creating bypasses. I would highly recommend that the Trail Supervisor for this area walk the trail and consider rerouting portions of the trail to higher/drier ground.  If anyone is planning on using this trail in the near future, be prepared to either have wet feet, or to be forging through side paths along the trail.
91762's picture

I've read that the trailhead is off the sidewalk 500 feet N of the 87/287 overpass. Looking on Google Maps I don't see any marking or what looks like a trail leaving the sidewalk. Does anyone know if there is a sign, blaze or landmark that indicates the location of the trail head? Also, I'm planning on taking the train from NY Penn Station to the Suffern Station and walking to the trailhead. Does this seem reasonable?
Daniel Chazin's picture

The trailheadof the S-BM Trail  is in fact right off the sidewalk, about 500 feet north of the I-87/287 overpass in Suffern. You just walk north under the very wide overpass and continue past a few houses. You then encounter a huge rock adjacent to the sidewalk, and just beyond it there is a stone wall. Just past the stone wall, you will see a triple-yellow blaze on a boulder, which marks the start of the trail. The continuation of the trail uphill is plainly marked with yellow blazes. It's not surprising that you don't see this trail on Google Maps.  Very few trails are shown on Google Maps, and you can't rely on it as a source of information about trails. The trailhead is plainly shown on the Trail Conference's Harriman-Bear Mountain Trails Map 118. The distance from the Suffern station to the trailhead is about 0.4 mile, which is certainly walkable.
Michael K7's picture

Agree with everything Daniel said, just be aware that the initial climb from the trailhead is very rocky, and steep in some spots, so if conditions are wet, you will need to take extra care. I haven't been to this area in over a year, but the last few times i was there, this part of the trail was in desperate need of some trail maintenance. The walk from the station to the trailhead is one of the shortest from public transit to trails you will find in the area .
91762's picture

Thanks to you both. I've since "re-looked" at Google Maps street view and see the blazes indicating the start of the trail. What I'm trying to figure out now is how to get back to NYC (preferable Penn Station) from the Bear Mountain end of the trail. All I've been able to find so far is: cross the BM Bridge to Manitou Station and take Metro North? back to Grand Central Station. Anyone have any other ideas? Thanks again for the help.   Bob  
PVPatrick's picture

Some people arrange for a taxi from the front of the Bear Mt Inn to Peekskil train station.
Michael K7's picture

There is a Shortline bus that goes from Bear Mountain to Port Authority. It doesn't run often, and I believe the last one on weekends is at 5:15. I think it stops at the Bear Mountain Inn. Other than that, your only option that i know of is the train from Manitou. Are you planning on hiking the entire SBM in one day?  If so, are you familiar with the trail?  It is one of the toughest in the park IMO, and you should figure at least 10-12 hours minimum to finish it.
91762's picture

Thanks. I plan to take my time - not in any hurry - I'll plan to spend 2 nights on the trail.
Daniel Chazin's picture

The last Short Line bus to New York City leaves Bear Mountain at 3:19 p.m. on weekdays and 5:19 p.m. on weekends.  On weekends only, the last Metro-North Hudson Line train to New York City departs the Manitou station at 7:30 p.m.  Earlier trains depart at 4:28 p.m. and (effective May 11th) 1:28 p.m.  Weekday service from Manitou to New York City is limited to a single early morning train.
banjolady's picture

we noticed remains of a fire, still strong odor and some smoke even...tom jones mt on the RD. significant burned area.  we didnt try to go on the short cut from the victory heading N from skenonto--i know the TC doesnt maintain this and there were lots of blowdowns last time i was on it. anyone been on that lately?
esteinhart1's picture

We hiked from the Reeves Meadow Info Center, up Pine Meadow Trail, then Pine Meadow Road to Monitor Rock, across Diamond Mountain and back down PMT to Reeves.  Everything was very dry, only a few small wet spots.  Conditions were excellent.
Purple Octopus's picture

Does anyone have an idea of whether I would still encounter ice hiking Mt Tammany via the red-dot - blue dot circuit on April 17?  I've only ever done this hike in early November & mid-May.   Thanks.
tree188's picture

3/22/2014 Tiorati Circle to Rt. 6 Parking area.  Conditions are passable with 0" to 5" average snow depth.  Slippery, traction gear and hiking poles recommended.  Very busy yesterday due to the great weather.  Trail becoming muddy in spots with the melt off.  Views from the top of the ridge were very good, with all of the tree leaves down at this time.  Small flocks of birds observed; nut hatches, wood peckers, finches, sparrows, hawks & possibly a vulture.
jbeard's picture

We hiked the Yellow-Silver and Orange trails in the Ramapo Reservation Friday.  On shaded slopes, trails had a thick layer of melting ice that was slippery, and 2-6 inches of coarse snow next to them.  Much of the park was snow-free, however.  Both ice and snow were busy melting, and the streams were all high.  There were a couple of places where small ponds had formed and frozen on the trail, and these will be very wet for days to come.  But I would bet that most of this ice and snow will be gone by next week.  Things will be muddy for weeks.
91762's picture

I'm looking to see if anyone has any updated info on a question I asked earlier this month... Does anyone have any "current" info about trail conditins (snow depth, trail ice/snow melt) in the area around Lake Sebago? Is the western side of Rte 106 is closed? (Not sure when the "winter closure" ends) Are the parking areas at the north end of Lake Sebago accessable from 7 Lakes Dr.? Thanks.   Bob
PVPatrick's picture

I ran 106 on Sunday from kanawauke circle almost to Stahahe.  Although the road closed signs are still present, many vehicles were driving back and forth, so im assuming the road is clear all the way through.  The section I ran was plowed and completely clear of snow.  The designated parking areas I saw were not plowed.  Some people had parked along the roadside and had been ticketed. As for snow depths, it varies from bare earth on south facing slopes, to up to a foot or more of snow depending on elevation and angle of terrain. The parking areas on the north end of Sebago are the beach parking areas.  This area has been closed to vehicles since Troical Storm Irene devastated the beach facilities there.  You can walk through there though.

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